Evidence of meeting #20 for Declaration of Emergency in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funds.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Joint Chair  Hon. Gwen Boniface (Senator, Ontario, ISG)
Jody Thomas  National Security and Intelligence Advisor, Privy Council Office
Marie-Hélène Chayer  Executive Director, Integrated Terrorism Assessment Centre
Martin Green  Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet, Intelligence Assessment, Privy Council Office
Claude Carignan  Senator, Quebec (Mille Isles), C
Peter Harder  Senator, Ontario, PSG
Dennis Glen Patterson  Senator, Nunavut, CSG
Mike MacDonald  Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet, Security and Intelligence, Privy Council Office
Jacob Wells  Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

So currently you receive tax exemptions based on the faith-based nature of the charitable wing of your corporation.

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

That's correct.

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Okay.

We also understood, in your mission, that you were kind of a champion for free speech. In your testimony on March 3 in front of SECU, there is an exchange with Ms. Pam Damoff that talked about the Ku Klux Klan. I want to give you the opportunity to use your free speech and clarify whether or not you support the Ku Klux Klan in any way.

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

No. I absolutely abhor what the Ku Klux Klan and any supremacy organization would stand for.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Would that also include the Proud Boys?

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

Would that include the Proud Boys? I'm not overly familiar with what their—

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Have they ever used your platform to raise funds, the Proud Boys in the United States of America?

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

Some Proud Boys have, yes.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Are you aware that Proud Boys is listed as a terrorist entity in Canada, sir?

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

I have become aware of that, yes.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Were you aware of that through your due diligence process, when you were looking at possible links between the terrorist entity listed here in Canada and perhaps involvement with the convoy?

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

What we do in our verification process is that we vet the people who are receiving the funds, not [Technical difficulty—Editor].

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

How do you do that?

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

Through the systems already in place of terror watch-lists, people—

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

So you would have known if anybody was listed as a Proud Boy and might have had some interest in this. Are you stating that you would have had systems in place to ensure that this was the case?

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

That's correct for the—

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Okay.

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

We verify the receivers of funds.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Knowing that they're a terrorist entity, would you continue to platform Proud Boys?

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

Not in Canada.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

But you would in the United States.

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

They're not considered a terrorist organization in the United States.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Okay.

When you use your simple mission “to share the hope of Jesus through crowdfunding”, in your testimony you talked about how you would engage with these clients to share the hope of Jesus. Is that correct?

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Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

That's correct. Yes.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Did you do that with multiple serial killer Kyle Rittenhouse, sir, when you raised funds for him? Did you share the hope of Jesus with Kyle Rittenhouse?