Evidence of meeting #20 for Declaration of Emergency in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funds.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Joint Chair  Hon. Gwen Boniface (Senator, Ontario, ISG)
Jody Thomas  National Security and Intelligence Advisor, Privy Council Office
Marie-Hélène Chayer  Executive Director, Integrated Terrorism Assessment Centre
Martin Green  Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet, Intelligence Assessment, Privy Council Office
Claude Carignan  Senator, Quebec (Mille Isles), C
Peter Harder  Senator, Ontario, PSG
Dennis Glen Patterson  Senator, Nunavut, CSG
Mike MacDonald  Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet, Security and Intelligence, Privy Council Office
Jacob Wells  Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

9:20 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

I have a point of order, Chair.

9:20 p.m.

The Joint Chair Hon. Gwen Boniface

Yes, Mr. Motz.

9:20 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

Maybe she could let the witness answer the question.

9:20 p.m.

Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

We did verify that. That's part of our verification processes: who the individuals are who are receiving the funds, what their—

9:20 p.m.

The Joint Chair Hon. Gwen Boniface

Mr. Wells, I'm sorry. The time is up for that question. I know it's difficult when you're not here.

We'll move to Mr. Fortin, to be followed by Mr. Green.

You each have three minutes.

9:20 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Mr. Wells, after everything we've just said, do you want to reconfirm that you were never contacted by a Canadian police service, be it a municipal service, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the Ontario Provincial Police, regarding fundraising for the "freedom convoy"?

9:20 p.m.

Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

I want to make that very clear. That never happened, but also, the “freedom convoy” corporation was also a corporation that was authorized by the state, the Province of Ontario.

9:20 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Mr. Wells, I'm going to ask you one final question.

Can you confirm that you were never contacted by the authorities or by an official of the Government of Canada, the Government of Ontario or the Ottawa Municipal Council?

9:20 p.m.

Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

That's correct.

9:20 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Thank you, Mr. Wells.

9:20 p.m.

The Joint Chair Hon. Gwen Boniface

Mr. Green, you have the floor.

9:20 p.m.

NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

I just want to close the loop on that particular line of questioning.

In the months after the occupation, have you been in contact with any government officials, political entities or political parties for any conversations related to your involvement in the convoy?

9:20 p.m.

Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

We have been interviewed by the commission.

9:20 p.m.

NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Was it just the commission and no political actors?

9:20 p.m.

Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

There were no political actors, to my knowledge.

9:20 p.m.

NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Going back to your charity, sir, is your charity funded by the gift portions of your platform?

9:25 p.m.

Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

No, it's not. Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by “gift portions of the platform”.

9:25 p.m.

NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

I understand that you receive tips. Does a portion of the tips go to your charitable donations?

9:25 p.m.

Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

GiveSendGo is a for-profit business. We operate on the revenue generated by tips. We cover the costs of the charity so that 100% of any money that the charity raises and disburses goes to the need that's arisen.

9:25 p.m.

NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

In terms of your charitable aspect, your testimony today is that it's funded through some of the tips.

I want to reference the March 2022 Time magazine article that suggested and reported that GiveSendGo received more than $640,000 in gift donations from supporters of the “freedom convoy” and the “adopt a trucker” campaign.

I want to make sure I understand it correctly. The gift portion, the $640,000, was something that you received. Is that correct?

9:25 p.m.

Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

It sounds about right.

9:25 p.m.

NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

In other words, you raised $600,000 for the cause and $640,000 for your own organization. Is that correct?

9:25 p.m.

Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

The total amount raised was approximately $13 million Canadian, and I think we received around $600,000 in tips.

9:25 p.m.

NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

In other words, you're an organization called GiveSendGo that, from the lists of your various clients, profits off organizations that have effectively been cut off from other mainstream, legitimate online platforms. Is it the case that you're the online platform of last resort and part of...? That seems like a really high amount of money to be raising off a charitable donation.

9:25 p.m.

Co-Founder, GiveSendGo

Jacob Wells

It's voluntary, so people do it of their own volition.