Evidence of meeting #8 for Declaration of Emergency in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was documents.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Vernon White  Senator, Ontario, CSG
Joint Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Miriam Burke
Peter Harder  Senator, Ontario, PSG)
Joint Chair  Hon. Gwen Boniface (Senator, Ontario, ISG)
Claude Carignan  Senator, Quebec (Mille Isles), C

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Voices

Agreed.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Does everyone agree to paragraph (b)?

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Voices

Agreed.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Does everyone agree to paragraph (c)?

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Voices

Agreed.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Does everyone agree to paragraph (d)?

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Voices

Agreed.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Does everyone agree to paragraph (e)?

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Voices

Agreed.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

We are now at paragraph (f).

The floor is yours, Mr. Virani.

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

So we have come back to paragraph (f), where I was 45 seconds ago.

As I was saying, Mr. Chair, I didn't want to necessarily repeat myself, but the basic notion with respect to paragraph (f) alone is that here it's talking about the documents being deposited and it speaks to which entities. There's a reference to the law clerk and parliamentary counsel of the Senate, the law clerk and parliamentary counsel of the House, and any legal counsel that the committee may appoint.

It is my proposition that we strike that language that I just read out and replace it with “shall be deposited with the committee”. It would then continue on the second to last line in both official languages, “within one month of the adoption of this order”.

The words “Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the Senate, the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons and any legal counsel which the committee may appoint” are all struck. That is the proposition.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Thank you, Mr. Virani.

Is there any discussion or does everyone agree?

You have the floor, Mr. Green.

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Just to be crystal clear, it's that it will be one month from the adoption today, should it be adopted. Thank you.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Yes, but the one month deadline isn't stated in paragraph (f).

Mr. Virani's proposal is to delete the words “with the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the Senate, the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons and any legal counsel which the Committee may appoint” and replace them by “with the committee”.

Does everyone agree to that?

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

It says it has to be at the committee within one month.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Do you agree, Mr. Virani?

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Yes.

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Wait, I think Mr. Green is right: it actually does say “within one month”.

I apologize, Mr. Green, I had misunderstood. So we will keep the last part, that is, the words “in both official languages, within one month of the adoption of this Order”.

I see that everyone agrees.

Mr. Virani, you have the floor.

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

With Senator White's permission I would actually propose to jump (g) and go to (h), because it's basically the same amendment. I think it's very clinical and can probably be done—

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

If you want to jump over paragraph (g), that means we agree to it.

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Okay then, I'm going to address (g).

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Because we already decided on how to proceed.

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Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

There are a few amendments here.

I apologize, Mr. Chair.

The first part of the amendment would be to strike the language that again deals with documents being provided to law clerks and any legal counsel. These are the first four lines in their entirety on my copy, with the words, “a copy of the documents shall also be deposited with the law clerks and any legal counsel which the committee may appoint, in both official languages, within one month of the adoption of this order, with any proposed redaction of”. Strike all of that.

It follows logically from what I just recommended.

In the remaining portions—I apologize if this is getting complicated, but I can provide you with a copy—it would be to insert the words “information which, in the public service's opinion”—not the “government's opinion”—“could reasonably be expected to compromise national security”.

Then I would propose inserting—

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Bloc

The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Mr. Virani, do you have the proposal in writing?

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Yes.