Evidence of meeting #59 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was plan.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Cécile Cléroux  Assistant Deputy Minister, Environment Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment
Mike Beale  Director General, Strategic Priorities, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment
Alex Manson  Special Advisor, Climate Change Policy, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of the Environment
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Justin Vaive
Howard Brown  Assistant Deputy Minister, Energy Policy Sector, Department of Natural Resources
Carol Buckley  Director General, Office of Energy Efficiency, Department of Natural Resources

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Environment Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cécile Cléroux

Could you repeat your question? I'm sorry, someone gave me a paper and I was distracted.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

During the presentation and following a question, Mr. Beale consulted a graph and showed it. From where I am sitting, I could see that this was a graph. Would it be possible to table this graph?

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Environment Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cécile Cléroux

We could table a version of this graph for information purposes.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

It wasn't in the document, was it?

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Environment Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cécile Cléroux

No.

It has just been confirmed to me that the economic analysis is legally protected. This is a legal measure. I am sorry for having misled committee members. This was done inadvertently, I had the wrong information.

So I apologize. It seems I had wrong information. The economic analysis that was provided for government to make its decision is legally protected. It's not a policy decision.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bob Mills

Thank you for that clarity.

Go ahead.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Brown, were you consulted about the government's advertising campaign regarding the plan?

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Energy Policy Sector, Department of Natural Resources

Howard Brown

Was I personally consulted, or was Natural Resources Canada consulted?

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Natural Resources Canada.

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Energy Policy Sector, Department of Natural Resources

Howard Brown

Yes, I believe our communications people were consulted. That's my understanding.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Was this produced by your department, Ms. Cléroux? Were you consulted about the advertising campaign, or were external consultants responsible for this?

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Environment Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cécile Cléroux

As far as the implementation is concerned, this was done with outside consultants. However, this project was undertaken by Environment Canada and all of the departments directly concerned, because the regulatory framework is not limited to Environment Canada and measures contained in our own legislation, but also measures in legislation pertaining to other departments associated with our current job.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Brown, in the table on page 18 tabled by Environment Canada, where is your eco-energy program shown?

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Energy Policy Sector, Department of Natural Resources

Howard Brown

I don't think it does in this chart. This chart refers purely to the regulatory program.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

All right. In the table on the oil companies, refineries, oil and gas, do you have any statistics regarding the contribution made by Alberta's current methane production?

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Energy Policy Sector, Department of Natural Resources

Howard Brown

I'm not sure I understand the question.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Do the tables for greenhouse gas reduction include Alberta's methane producers?

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Environment Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cécile Cléroux

Methane is often one of the fugitive measures for these sectors. All intentional fugitive emissions are included in the forecasts and will be covered by regulatory measures.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Does it include all methane producers in Alberta?

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Environment Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cécile Cléroux

Methane is deemed to be one of the six greenhouse gases that will be regulated. That is why, according to our estimates and data, methane producers will be included.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

All right, thank you very much.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bob Mills

Thank you very much.

Mr. Dewar, please.

May 16th, 2007 / 4:55 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I just wanted to start off in terms of the questions about data collection. We've had different propositions at different times as to when our baseline data should start. What is the data that we presently have on record for greenhouse gas emissions? In other words, how far back can we go? Where is that available in terms of a report?

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Environment Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cécile Cléroux

The detailed information that we have on greenhouse gases goes back to 2004. So we have 2004, and soon we'll have 2005 available. The decision of government has been to use the 2006 baseline.

4:55 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

But in my understanding, we have requirements and obligations going back to 1990 in terms of what our greenhouse gas emissions have been in terms of the national inventory report.