Evidence of meeting #32 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cosia.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ron Bonnett  President, Canadian Federation of Agriculture
Doug Chorney  President, Keystone Agricultural Producers
Judy Fairburn  Chair, Shareholder Steering Committee, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance
Alan Fair  Interim Director, Tailing Environmental Priority Area, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance

May 1st, 2012 / 5:15 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I would like to thank the witnesses for being here today.

I would like to further explore Ms. LeBlanc's question about your funding. You mentioned that it is companies who invest in research and development. Do you receive subsidies from provincial or federal governments?

5:15 p.m.

Chair, Shareholder Steering Committee, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance

Judy Fairburn

Thank you for that.

Innovation of productivity is of critical importance to Canada. I'm proud of the R and D that is done in our industry, as well as the lead-on investments in commercialization up to the billions of dollars.

With respect to your question—

5:15 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

Ms. Fairburn, do you receive any subsidies or tax relief from provincial or federal governments?

5:15 p.m.

Chair, Shareholder Steering Committee, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance

Judy Fairburn

The SR&ED program is used by numerous Canadian organizations. That is a program that we consider as well. On top of that, our industry spends millions of dollars, and up to billions, towards commercialization and innovation on our own accord.

5:15 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

What percentage of your budget comes from provincial or federal governments' investment?

5:15 p.m.

Chair, Shareholder Steering Committee, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance

Judy Fairburn

In terms of the percentage of our R and D budget, it would be quite small.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

What would that percentage be?

5:20 p.m.

Chair, Shareholder Steering Committee, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance

Judy Fairburn

Our industry spends millions and up to billions of dollars on innovation.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

How much is that?

5:20 p.m.

Chair, Shareholder Steering Committee, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance

Judy Fairburn

It's un petit amount with respect to any money from federal or provincial governments. Our industry itself spends extensive dollars on its own accord.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

For that matter, did you meet with government people over the last few months about the tar sands file?

5:20 p.m.

Chair, Shareholder Steering Committee, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance

Judy Fairburn

I myself have not.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

I am not talking about you. Has anyone in your team met with government officials about the tar sands?

5:20 p.m.

Chair, Shareholder Steering Committee, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance

Judy Fairburn

I would appreciate your elaborating a little further where your question is going.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

Did Mr. Dan Wicklum meet with government officials since he started his job?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Centre-North, AB

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

5:20 p.m.

Chair, Shareholder Steering Committee, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance

Judy Fairburn

The conversations that have gone on are associated with the launch of COSIA.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Mark Warawa

Ms. Fairburn—

5:20 p.m.

Chair, Shareholder Steering Committee, Canada's Oil Sands Innovation Alliance

Judy Fairburn

All the public information that you have seen in the launch.... That is the extent of communication that I am aware of.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Mark Warawa

Ms. Fairburn, one moment, please. We have a point of order.

Ms. Rempel.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Centre-North, AB

Mr. Chair, I raise a point of order similar to that I raised earlier today. We have a very specific scope that we agreed upon as a committee for this committee testimony today. I believe my colleagues are fully aware of that. I would remind them to direct their questions to the witness in a manner that is in alignment with the scope of the study today.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Mark Warawa

Do we have any further discussion on the point of order?

5:20 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

No, that's fine.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Mark Warawa

Okay.

I would agree. I would ask Mr. Choquette to make sure his questioning is in line. Whether or not Mr. Wicklum has been meeting is not focusing on the anticipated positive environmental outcomes.

Thank you.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

Did you know that Mr. Dan Wicklum must observe a code of ethics as a public servant?