Evidence of meeting #43 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was right.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John Moffet  Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Laura Farquharson  Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Michael MacPherson  Legislative Clerk

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Sure. We're going to suspend for two minutes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Mr. Duguid, do you want to speak to this?

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Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Now, I'm just unclear on procedure, Mr. Chair. She's put a motion on the floor. Is that correct?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Yes, but the motion is not the one that's in your package.

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Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

That's correct.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

It has a new word.

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Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

This side will be supporting that motion.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay. Is there anyone else?

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Conservative

Greg McLean Conservative Calgary Centre, AB

Is there a motion to change the motion?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

No, the motion as it is in your package was not moved. An alternate motion was moved, which is basically identical, except the word “uphold” is where the word “apply” was.

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Conservative

Greg McLean Conservative Calgary Centre, AB

Okay.

Mr. Moffet previously spoke at this committee about the rights of future generations that we're trying to build into this bill, so can I speak to him again?

If the principle of intergenerational equity is the same thing we voted down earlier, I'd like his input on how his interpretation is different from what he spoke about earlier on respecting the rights of future generations and intergenerational equity.

December 9th, 2022 / 2:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

John Moffet

I'll start. I might need to be supported by my colleagues.

The basic difference I want to bring to your attention is the difference between giving a right to future generations versus putting an obligation on current decision-makers to account for the interests of future generations. Intergenerational equity refers to the latter concept in the way it's constructed in CEPA now, so it requires us when we make decisions today to consider the impacts on future generations. That's not the same as giving a right to a future generation.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Does that answer your question, Mr. McLean?

It does. Okay.

Is there anyone else?

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Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Mr. Chair, can you read the subamendment, please?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

There's no subamendment.

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Conservative

Greg McLean Conservative Calgary Centre, AB

It's a different motion.

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Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

There's just one word that is changed.

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Conservative

Greg McLean Conservative Calgary Centre, AB

Yes.

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Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

I'm sorry. That's what's confusing.

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Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Chair, I'm curious on behalf of my francophone colleagues. The motion that was moved was moved in English and there was concern about translation and whatnot. I want to hear from those who are—

2:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

How do we work with that? Will that be taken care of?

Yes, the legislative drafters will use the appropriate French term.

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Conservative

Greg McLean Conservative Calgary Centre, AB

Do we have an acceptable definition of “non-regression”? I've seen several different definitions of non-regression.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

That's a good question. Does anyone know specifically what that means?

Ms. May, do you have an answer to that question?

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Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

I raised my hand, Mr. Chair, in case you were—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Can you help us with the term “non-regression”?

Can you help us, Mr. Moffet?