Evidence of meeting #17 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was vehicles.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono
We'll have the clerk explain it to him so this way he'll be more reassured.
Bloc
Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC
I’d like to clarify one issue. I want to make sure we don’t mix up Canada and the United States under the same point. That’s my thinking.
I can’t help but think that we should also have information on sales of compliance credits for all Canadian automakers. Since we’re already asking Tesla, it might be helpful to ask other automakers to provide this information as well.
Conservative
Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB
I wish our witnesses were still here, because they would have a better sense from the manufacturing perspective.
I'm not opposed to that. My understanding is that the answer from everybody but Tesla was that they don't sell any, because they don't produce a high enough threshold of EVs to enter the creation of a credit market. If they do, they're just holding on to them, because they don't have a high enough volume. Hence, Tesla makes up 99% plus of all of the credits that are available for sale in this North American credit market.
I'm not opposed to it, but I think that's ultimately what's going to come back from the other companies: “We don't sell any. We haven't sold any yet, at least.”
Bloc
Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC
That’s an excellent point, my friend, but I think we can ask for information on sales and credits, for example.
For instance, I’d like to know whether Kia had 20% in electric vehicle sales and if it has already obtained these credits. I understand you’re presuming that they won’t sell credits. I don’t know that. I guess it’s possible, but I’d like to know how many credits they have in relation to the 20% targets. I’m interested in the total number of credits accumulated to date. I do understand your point, but I think we can ask them what they have in terms of credits and sales. It may well be that they don’t sell any.
Conservative
Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB
I'm not opposed to adding a very simple point prior to “That this information be provided”, which is that the other major auto manufacturers—GM, Stellantis, Ford and Honda—provide the same information, or something along those lines. I'm not opposed to that request going out to them.
I'm also curious about the answer. Based on what my understanding is, I think that they're just not in the market, but I see no issue in asking all of the companies.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono
You’ll soon receive the electronic version of the two paragraphs that have been amended to include the word “Canadian”.
Is that right, Mr. Clerk?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono
Great.
We’ll start with that and then if we have a positive outcome, we will see whether other changes are necessary.
You’ll receive copies in both official languages to make things easier.
Would you like the clerk to read out the text with the amendments to the wording, or would you like to wait until you receive the document and read it?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono
Mr. Clerk, can you read out both parts of the proposed amendment in English and French?
The Clerk
Following discussion among members, on behalf of Mr. Bonin, the proposed amendment is to add the words “to Canadian corporations” after the words “as of October 31, 2025”.
I wish to remind members that you will receive a copy of the amended text shortly.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono
That’s great.
You continued with the discussion, which has not yet been included.
We will therefore proceed with the first subamendment proposed and we will see if other amendments will be proposed.
Have you received the documents?
Mr. St‑Pierre, I’m sorry you won’t get a hard copy, but you’ll have the gist of the content.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono
I see that members have received the documents.
I’d like to take this opportunity to welcome the honourable Bill Blair, who has joined us.
Mr. Bonin, can you confirm that the wording in English and French is consistent?
Bloc
Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC
Yes, Mr. Chair.
In the interest of continuous improvement, is it possible to have the same format in both languages? For example, in point (a) of the English version, points (i) and (ii) are in the same sentence, but this is different in French. That’s for purposes of comparison; otherwise, it looks consistent at first glance.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono
Would you like to have the changes made immediately or just in the Minutes of Proceedings?
The clerk has assured me that the Minutes of Proceedings will reflect this change. My understanding is that you are satisfied with the wording and only the formatting needs to be adjusted. The words “to Canadian corporations” will be included.
Do we have further comments about this amendment?
(Amendment agreed to)
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono
We’ll now turn back to the main motion.
Mr. Bonin, would you like to propose other amendments?
Bloc
Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC
I think my colleague seems amenable to including sales and credits for other auto manufacturers in Canada in the motion.
Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC
It’s a matter of asking all automakers to provide information on sales and credits.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono
Can you tell the clerk exactly where this wording will go so we get a better idea?
I think Ms. Anstey has already drafted the text in English. We’ll start with that and then translate it into French.
Ms. Anstey is going to read it out.
