Evidence of meeting #25 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was vehicles.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Julie Dabrusin  Minister of the Environment, Climate Change and Nature
Nichols  Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Lane  Executive Director, Legislative Governance, Department of the Environment
McDermott  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy and International Affairs Branch, Department of the Environment

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

I call the meeting to order.

Good morning, colleagues.

Today is meeting number 25 of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development.

This meeting is taking place in a hybrid format and is in public.

We are meeting with the Honourable Julie Dabrusin, Minister of the Environment, Climate Change and Nature, for one hour. Government officials will remain for the second hour.

Time permitting, the committee will consider amendments or recommendations to the bill at the end of testimony, at the will of the committee, if necessary.

The committee has also scheduled Tuesday, February 24, as a day for considering amendments or recommendations to Bill C-15.

I would also like to take a few minutes, in the second hour, to issue drafting instructions to the analysts for the report on the electric vehicle availability standard.

For those attending in person, please follow the health and safety guidelines, per the cards on the table, to prevent audio feedback incidents.

I have this little yellow card to give you a heads-up on how much time you have left for speaking. Once I turn it over, please kindly end your sentence.

The committee is beginning its study on the subject matter of clauses 595 and 596, found in part 5, division 42 of Bill C‑15, an act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on November 4, 2025.

This morning, Minister Dabrusin is accompanied by, from the Department of Environment, Alison McDermott, assistant deputy minister, strategic policy and international affairs branch; Megan Nichols, assistant deputy minister, environmental protection branch; and Stephanie Lane, executive director, legislative governance.

Minister Dabrusin, you have up to five minutes. The floor is yours.

Thank you.

11:05 a.m.

Toronto—Danforth Ontario

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin LiberalMinister of the Environment

Thank you so much, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to begin by acknowledging that we are gathered on the unceded territory of the Anishinabe Algonquin Nation.

I'd also like to take a moment before I begin my formal remarks to acknowledge the tragic news we have heard from Tumbler Ridge and from Kitigan Zibi.

As someone who has had a mass tragedy occur in my own community along the Danforth, I know how much it means when we can see people from across the country lean in and show strength in a time of grieving. I really want to thank everyone around this table. I know we've all come together to show support for the community. I want to say that my heart is with the victims, the survivors and all the people who have lost loved ones they are grieving today. May their memories be a blessing.

Today, I will speak to the proposed amendments to the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999, or CEPA, contained in part 5, division 42 of Bill C‑15.

CEPA is cornerstone federal legislation for preventing pollution and protecting the environment and human health. It enables federal action on a wide range of environmental and human health risks, from chemicals and waste to air and water pollution.

It also supports collaboration across governments through mechanisms such as administrative and equivalency agreements.

Administrative agreements are work-sharing arrangements between the Minister of the Environment and other governments in Canada, including indigenous partners. They can cover inspections, enforcement, monitoring, reporting and coordinated responses to environmental incidents, such as oil or chemical releases.

These agreements are already in place in several provinces and territories and help streamline oversight while strengthening public safety.

Equivalency agreements are a long-standing feature of CEPA. They allow the federal government to stand down certain federal regulations where another government's laws are equivalent.

Over the years, the federal government has entered into such agreements with provinces, including British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan, notably for oil and gas methane regulations.

These agreements reduce regulatory duplication and allow industry to comply with a single, tailored regulatory system.

Part 5, division 42 of Bill C‑15 proposes targeted amendments to clarify and improve the operation of these provisions.

First, these amendments would remove the five-year statutory limit on administrative and equivalency agreements. This would provide greater flexibility, reduce unnecessary renegotiation and support stable, long-term intergovernmental co-operation, while creating more predictable conditions for industry to invest in clean technologies.

Second, the amendments would clarify that another government's provisions must be—I'm putting this in quotes just to be clear—“equivalent in effect” to CEPA regulations, codifying existing practice. These changes would apply prospectively, meaning that current agreements would continue under their existing terms.

Together, the amendments strengthen CEPA as a practical, co-operative tool for environmental protection.

I'd like to now briefly turn to the climate competitiveness strategy. Launched in budget 2025, the strategy supports emissions reductions while strengthening Canada's economic position through clear, predictable rules that attract investment and drive innovation. Progress is already under way. In December, the government released a discussion paper on targeted amendments to the clean fuel regulations, with consultations concluding in January. Once finalized, these amendments would strengthen Canada's low-carbon fuel sector while maintaining core emission reduction objectives.

The strategy is also delivering results across major industrial sources. Enhanced methane regulations for the oil and gas sector and new methane regulations for landfills were finalized last year in close partnership with provinces. Under the Canada-Alberta memorandum of understanding, Canada has committed to entering into a new agreement that would stand down federal methane regulations in favour of an updated Alberta provincial regime.

Carbon pricing remains a central pillar of this approach. It is the most cost-effective way to reduce emissions while encouraging innovation and efficiency, positioning industry to make the best choices as Canada builds and decarbonizes. Importantly, proceeds from industrial carbon pricing are reinvested directly into Canadian industry. As of 2025, the decarbonization incentive program has supported over $874 million in investments across 53 clean energy projects.

Finally, Chair, because I know that time is close, clean, reliable and affordable electricity is essential to achieving net zero by 2050. The government is investing billions to unlock investment and make it more attractive to build on our clean power advantage. We're working with provinces and territories to advance a net-zero electricity grid supported by significant investment tools, including the Canada Growth Fund and clean economy investment tax credits, which, I would point out, are in this budget implementation act.

Mr. Chair, I would be pleased to answer questions from the committee.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you, Minister.

We'll begin with the Conservative Party for six minutes.

Mrs. Anstey, the floor is yours.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

Thank you, Minister.

Thank you for appearing today.

I also appreciate the leverage that the committee has given us to address any concerns we have.

Minister, in light of the recent announcements around Chinese EVs, I'm curious. Will you personally be permitted, under current federal security guidance, to drive a Chinese-manufactured electric vehicle, yes or no?

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

First of all, I think we should place this within the larger automobile strategy, which was a great news announcement that we had last week for industry and for environment.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

But—

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

No, I will answer your question. I am happy to purchase any EVs that are available on the market in Canada.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

Does that include Chinese-manufactured EVs, Minister?

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

I would purchase any EV that's available for purchase in Canada at the time that I would purchase it.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

So there is no security risk for any Chinese EV manufactured in China.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

No, and I will go on to add that we're talking about also investing in building EVs here in Canada.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

Thank you, Minister.

I'm also curious about what coordination your department has undertaken with Public Safety Canada, Innovation, Science and Economic Development and the Privacy Commissioner to assess cybersecurity, data sovereignty and national security risks associated with connected vehicles in general.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

To be frank, this would be part of ISED. ECCC is not working on connectivity science, but I can assure you that as a whole—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

It's relevant, though, Minister, because we're opening this up now. You're responsible for these electric vehicle mandates and you're responsible for these electric vehicles coming into Canada. With all respect, they do collect a lot of personal information. I'm curious to know, since you are the minister responsible, whether you have coordinated with these other departments as a way to protect Canadians.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Let me back that up for two seconds, because you used the word “mandate”.

In fact, if you were listening to the announcement last week, one of its really important pieces is moving to GHG regulations. It's how we're moving forward. That's the first part I just wanted to clarify.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

Sure.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Second, of course, as a whole-of-government approach across all of our ministerial offices, we are working to make sure Canadians have access to the best and most affordable vehicles, and, frankly, to support our auto workers right here in Canada, because they build the best vehicles.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

I appreciate that, Minister, but I'm speaking specifically about security. I think that's also an important part of the conversation.

I'm just wondering if you could address it from that perspective.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Let's also take a moment for history here. These vehicles were available in Canada previously. I think it was up to 2021. The numbers we are talking about bringing back into Canada would match those numbers. They're a cap number.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

It's not important, then. Is that the short answer?

It's okay. I can move on.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Okay. I'm happy if you want to move on, but I think my main point is that all vehicles sold in Canada are vehicles that we are absolutely comfortable with and that we believe Canadians should have access to.

We're talking about affordability and vehicles being built right here in Canada, which is the main motivation for the work we're doing to support our auto workers. We are also encouraging investments in that industry at the same time.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

However, Chinese EV manufacturers are receiving massive state subsidies to expand globally. Has your department assessed whether this strategy could result in Canada becoming dependent on this foreign-controlled vehicle technology and software?

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

As I mentioned earlier, the number of vehicles that would be brought in from China is capped.

Also, the most important part of the announcement we made was auto strategy. It was being cheered by auto workers on the floor. We are putting into place a suite of measures that will encourage investment for vehicles built right here in Canada. As an Ontario MP, that is something I know is so important to our economy.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

Yes, that's fair enough. However, that doesn't mean we just turn a blind eye to the security risks. I think, as responsible parliamentarians, we need to ask that question. It's something the government should be taking seriously. The Canadian government had a very different position on this just a few years ago, and now it seems as if it's not at all a concern.

Therefore, I just want to be sure, based on that, where you stand on this, because I think it's an important question.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

I believe I have answered it, now, in many different ways, many times. I am comfortable with any vehicle that will be sold here in Canada.

I have never seen the Conservatives support any EVs, any manufacturer of EVs or any affordability in getting these vehicles to Canadians, which Canadians want. Globally, one in four vehicles being sold right now is an EV. Why would you hold us back from that?