Evidence of meeting #29 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was project.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Julie Dabrusin  Minister of the Environment, Climate Change and Nature
Campbell  Acting President and Chief Executive Officer, and Senior Vice-President of Transformation, Parks Canada Agency
Shannon  Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Wildlife Service, Department of the Environment
McDermott  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy and International Affairs Branch, Department of the Environment
Chin Quee  Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Department of the Environment
Hubbard  President, Impact Assessment Agency of Canada
Nichols  Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

This is something that comes up a lot: How do we help to support the cleanup of these contaminated sites?

You mentioned Nova Scotia. There have been many opportunities in which the federal government has been able to help support the cleanup. It's an example of partnership between Natural Resources Canada and Environment Canada in helping communities.

The transfer you're referring to is the result of a memorandum of understanding between Natural Resources Canada and Environment Canada to conduct contaminated sites remediation activities at certain sites. This one, the one we're referring to in the most recent supplementary estimates (C), is for the remediation at Eureka. The fund supports the construction of a landfarm at the site for the treatment of petroleum hydrocarbon-impacted soils.

It's one example. That was really for a specific project, but it's part of a larger memorandum of understanding between Natural Resources Canada and Environment Canada to be able to treat these sites.

Shannon Miedema Liberal Halifax, NS

In Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, there's a former military housing complex called Shannon Park. We've heard about it a lot. It was chosen recently as one of the first sites for Build Canada Homes, which is really exciting. A thousand new affordable homes are going to be constructed.

Can you talk about how remediation projects through this program will help land redevelopment for housing uses, as we look to really ramp up our construction for housing supply?

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Minister, please give a very short answer. Your time is almost up.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Thank you. It could be part of a longer conversation.

By remediating sites, we help in making sites safe again, and that's what we're working towards in remediating lands. I'm happy to have a longer conversation specifically about that.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you, Minister.

Mr. Bonin, you have the floor for two and a half minutes.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Minister, your government has committed to protecting 30% of land and marine areas. Right now, you're up to about 15% for both. Clearly, that goal must be reached by 2030.

Groups like the Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society, Nature Canada, Birds Canada and the World Wildlife Fund will be sending a letter to the Prime Minister this week asking, among other things, that the Canada Nature Fund be reinstated, because there will be no money left by March 31. There's nothing in the budget for that. Do you commit to renewing that fund? If so, how much will you put towards it? These groups are calling for that immediately.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Yes, and I fully understand the request. It's very important to me and our government to continue protecting and conserving nature. I know we have that deadline of March 31, and we're working on it. I don't have an amount to give you today, but I'm well aware of this issue.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

We'll be watching that closely.

The former minister of environment, climate change and nature had implemented a ban on funding in relation to fossil fuels, or had prohibited certain subsidies. He had talked about coming up with another sequence, among other things, for organizations like Economic Development Canada. Can you tell us today how much funding is allocated each year to fossil fuels in Canada? How much was it last year?

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

What I can say is that we have $90 billion that will go to clean technologies and—

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

You're not answering the question, Minister.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

—renewable energy.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

I'll remind you that the question was about fossil fuels.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

No, but—

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

How much are you putting into that?

I know the other numbers. I want to know how much you invest in fossil fuels, in billions of dollars.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

To talk about numbers, I think it's important to say where the money is currently being allocated.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

With all due respect, that's not my question. My question is about fossil fuels, Minister. How many billions of dollars are you currently putting into subsidies?

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

I want to show you that everything you see in our budget—and you can look at the 2025 budget—are grants for renewable energies.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

My question is this. How much money do you allocate to fossil fuel subsidies? There are subsidies for fossil fuels in the latest budget. How much money are you allocating this year, as of today? Do you have a number?

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

There's none.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Does the department have a figure for fossil fuel subsidies granted in the past year? Do you have that number? If you want to reduce these subsidies, you need to know how much they represent.

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

What I'm saying is that the budget contains $90 billion in subsidies for renewable energies. That's where we're investing the money.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Minister, with all due respect, my question is very clear: How many billions of dollars are you investing in fossil fuels?

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

What I said is that the budget was very clear: The money is going to renewable energy and clean technologies.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Are you ashamed to say how many billions of dollars you invest in fossil fuels?

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

That's $90 billion—