Evidence of meeting #14 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was mulroney.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Luc Lavoie  As an Individual
François Martin  As an Individual
Erica Pereira  Committee Clerk, , House of Commons

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

You never had any other dealings with cash flowing through Mr. Mulroney and Rick Morgan.

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

Did you ever see the following people, whom I am going to name, at 24 Sussex Drive? I will start saying and you can say yes or no.

Gerry Doucet.

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As an Individual

François Martin

I don't remember. I'm sorry, I don't remember.

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

How about Mr. Karlheinz Schreiber?

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As an Individual

François Martin

I don't remember either. I'm sorry. It's been years.

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

How about Frank Moores?

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As an Individual

François Martin

I don't remember. Perhaps.

Look, I kept my agendas and the menus I created for the meetings, the business dinners and the formal dinners at 24 Sussex Drive. I could submit the documents I have to you, but I don't exactly remember the names of the individuals.

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

I would appreciate, Mr. Chair, if Mr. Martin could hand over those records to us here.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Has it been established exactly what? If we're going to--

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

Those records of the people when he was organizing those dinners.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You will have to be specific about a period of time. He was there for four years, I think. Let's be reasonable. What are you looking for?

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

It's that he go through his records and tell me whether they contain names of some of the people I said were seen at 24 Sussex Drive then.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Is that clear enough to ask the witness? Is it with regard to specific functions? There are political and non-political people, there are visitors.... I mean—

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

As visitors.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

A point of order.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Yes, Mr. Thibault. Maybe you can help us out.

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Perhaps I could recommend that we not act on this immediately. As a committee, in the future we can decide what documents we need to ask people for. We can have that discussion at that time.

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

All right. That sounds like a good approach.

Let's move on now.

Mr. Ménard.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Martin, you say that Fred Doucet gave you an envelope once, but that you didn't know what it contained.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

So Mr. Doucet didn't give you any envelopes on a number of occasions.

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As an Individual

François Martin

No, it happened once: I went up to his office to pick up that envelope.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

And on one occasion, at Mrs. Mulroney's request, you went to convey an envelope that contained a $10,000 deposit.

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As an Individual

François Martin

That's correct.