Evidence of meeting #14 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was mulroney.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Luc Lavoie  As an Individual
François Martin  As an Individual
Erica Pereira  Committee Clerk, , House of Commons

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

And that happened only once.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

You know things were written about you.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

All kinds of things were written.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Yes. You've read them, I imagine.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

Yes and no, but they were also reported to me.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Yes, but I imagine you were interested in knowing what was said about you.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

No, not really.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

No?

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

No, because it wasn't always the truth.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

That's precisely what I want to know.

It was said that, according to you, cash fell from the skies at 24 Sussex Drive, didn't it? You remember that, I'm sure.

François Martin

Yes, it's true, it went quickly. I'm from a family of eight children, so there wasn't a lot of extravagance, never-ending expenses. I entered an environment where major expenditures were made, and things went very quickly. So I may have said that, of course.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

You were especially reported as saying that it was cash that flowed as though it were falling from the sky.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

No, no. I spent a lot of money, I had open accounts across Ottawa for purchases, but I didn't see any money, physically, flowing at the residence.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

You obviously organized large receptions. So you needed a big budget to buy high-quality things.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

When you made those kinds of purchases, it was paid for by the Mulroneys, or by the government?

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

I have no idea. I submitted the invoices and the receipts from my petty cash, but as regards other places where I had open accounts, I signed, and the bill was sent—

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

It was sent to the government.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

Probably to the government.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

To someone who processed it. So you didn't pay it.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

And it wasn't the Mulroneys either.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

I don't know the administrative mechanism.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

It was also reported that you said Mrs. Mulroney regularly asked you to transport thick envelopes containing cash from the prime minister's office. Is that true?