Finance Committee on May 29th, 2023

Evidence of meeting #94 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Bill C-47
Committee Business

MPs speaking

Peter Fonseca
Daniel Blaikie
Julie Dzerowicz
Philip Lawrence
Yvan Baker
Terry Beech
Adam Chambers
Gabriel Ste-Marie
Garnett Genuis
Leah Gazan
Tom Kmiec
Kelly McCauley
Marty Morantz
Sophie Chatel
Jasraj Singh Hallan
Ed Fast
Ben Lobb
Heath MacDonald
Stephen Ellis
Larry Maguire

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Ariane Gagné-Frégeau  Legislative Clerk
Miriam Burke  Legislative Clerk
Jean-François Lafleur  Legislative Clerk

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An hon. member

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

This is question period. Mr. May is raising—

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An hon. member

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Clause 489 is carried.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Chair, members—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We are going to suspend for a minute.

MP Genuis, if you'd like, you can challenge my ruling. That's what you can do.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Chair, I'd like to raise a point of order. You implied that there was an agreement among whips regarding proceedings—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

No.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

—during question period.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

You can challenge my ruling. You're debating again.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

It's not a debate—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

You can challenge my ruling—

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

—it's a matter of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

You can challenge my ruling, MP Genuis.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Chair, when you raise a point of order, part of the process of raising a point of order is informing—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

MP Genuis, that's debate.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

—the committee about the matter of order that is at stake.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

That's debate.

May 30th, 2023 / 2:10 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

You don't understand at a basic level, Chair, the distinction between debate and matters of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

MP Genuis—

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Matters of order deal with the rules—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

MP Genuis, you can challenge—

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Matters of debate are matters of—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

You can challenge the chair, MP Genuis.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Chair, I want to raise my point of order and then you can rule on it. There will then potentially be a challenge.

This is a question of the privileges of members.