Evidence of meeting #47 for Finance in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was food.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Chief Cindy Woodhouse Nepinak  Assembly of First Nations
Deegan  President and Chief Executive Officer, News Media Canada
Stephenson  Chief Executive Officer and Co-Founder, Riipen Networks Inc.
Martin-Laforge  Director General, TALQ
Gladstone  Acting Director, Housing and Infrastructure, Assembly of First Nations
Kharas  As an Individual
Higgins  Chief Executive Officer, Cooperation Canada
Vansintjan  Policy Researcher, Food Secure Canada
Barrett  Executive Director, Frontier Duty Free Association
Strati  Senior Vice-President, Industry and Policy, Canadian Media Producers Association
Irving  Chair, Board of Directors, Canadian Media Producers Association
Obed  President, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami
Pruden  President, Métis National Council
Longboat  Chief Executive Officer, Ontario Federation of Indigenous Friendship Centres
Gignac  Senior Adviser, Investors for Paris Compliance
Appleton  Interim Director, Balsillie Legal Advisory Centre, As an Individual
Beatty  Industry Consultant, As an Individual
Vicente  Canada Managing Director, Hitachi Energy Canada

11:40 a.m.

President, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami

Natan Obed

To be clear, we have asked for an overhaul of the program. We recognize that the Government of Canada spending upwards of $200 million for increased food security for nutrition north-eligible communities in the north and the Arctic is generally a good thing. It does not function as a social program. That is our biggest critique of the nutrition north program.

As I stated in my stats, our Inuit population is at a food insecurity rate of 70%. A rebate-at-till model—basically, you go to the store, and the retailer tells you how much you're saving—is a blanket subsidy for all those who use it. It could be individuals in communities, businesses or governments that go to the store. We need a more targeted social program that gets food to the people who need it most in our communities.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Please answer very quickly, President Obed. We have just a few seconds left.

The issue of food inflation is in all the media. It's a source of concern for all Quebeckers and Canadians. Can you tell us the scale of this in the communities you represent?

11:40 a.m.

President, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami

Natan Obed

We just created a poverty reduction strategy, and the Inuit Nunangat food market basket is one of the key inputs. We are seeing two to five times the cost of goods, services and food in the south in our Inuit Nunangat communities.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Thank you, Mr. Garon.

On behalf of the committee, I would like to thank all of our witnesses for their time today. I apologize for the shortened meeting; however, we can't control when votes happen. We really appreciate your time and your recommendations.

We're going to have a brief suspension while we turn over for our final panel this morning.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Colleagues, we're going to get started, if you can make your way to the table.

Just before we begin, Mr. Appleton is here, but his connection is not sufficient for interpretation. I just want to see if there is UC from the committee to allow him to make his opening remarks. There will not be interpretation.

Do we have UC for him to make his opening remarks?

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

We will do that. Members will be allowed to ask questions; there just won't be any interpretation provided for Mr. Appleton. If that becomes an issue, we can discuss it later on in the meeting.

With that, I would like to welcome our final panel of witnesses for the pre-budget consultations for 2026 of the finance committee.

First, we have Monsieur Renaud Gignac, senior adviser from the Investors for Paris Compliance. We have Mr. Barry Appleton, the interim director of the Balsillie Legal Advisory Centre. We have Stephen Beatty, industry consultant. From Hitachi Energy Canada, we have Carla Vicente, the Canada managing director.

Just before I turn to you, I'd like to remind you of the following points.

Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking. For those participating by video conference, click on the microphone icon to activate your mic, and please mute yourself while you are not speaking. For those on Zoom, at the bottom of your screen you can select the appropriate channel for interpretation. For those in the room, you can use the earpiece and select the desired channel.

I would like to remind everyone that you can be asked questions in either English or French, so if you require interpretation, please put your earpiece in now so that we can ensure we use the time available to us.

Each of you will have five minutes for your opening remarks.

We are going to begin with Monsieur Gignac.

Mr. Gignac, you have the floor for five minutes.

Renaud Gignac Senior Adviser, Investors for Paris Compliance

Good morning, Madam Chair and members of the committee.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today. My name is Renaud Gignac. I'm a lawyer and economist at Investors for Paris Compliance, an organization that monitors the climate commitments of big companies.

I'm here to propose two budget measures: first, a tax on the windfall profits of oil and gas companies, and second, an act on climate damages recovery.

Before I go into detail on these measures, I submit to you that the Canadian economy is currently suffering from a major inequity. On the one hand, taxpayers have already begun subsidizing the astronomical and rising costs associated with climate change. Average home insurance premiums, which reflect the increase in damages, have increased by 45% in the past six years, with increases of up to 300% in regions such as northern Calgary. At the same time, insurers have increased deductible amounts and are restricting coverage for certain risks.

Households are also paying more in taxes, including to fund the disaster financial assistance arrangements program, whose costs are rising year after year.

Going forward, the Federation of Canadian Municipalities has established a need to invest $5.3 billion per year, starting now, to upgrade our sewers, roads and dikes. Those findings are shared by the Union des municipalités du Québec.

On the other hand, Canada's oil and gas sector has raked in net profits of $1.5 billion per week since the Strait of Hormuz closed in February: that is, three times more than before the crisis.

These two parallel trends—rising costs for everyone, on the one hand, and record profits for the industry, on the other—highlight how deeply unfair the current situation is.

What can we do?

First, economists have estimated that a tax on the windfall profits of oil and gas companies could raise between $9 billion and $46 billion this year, while still leaving the industry entirely reasonable profits: between $44 billion and $81 billion. Other countries, such as the United Kingdom, have successfully implemented such a contribution.

However, a windfall profits tax is temporary, by definition, since it only applies when oil prices are high. However, the damages caused by climate change will still be there, and it will continue to get worse over the coming decades.

That's why we're proposing a second mechanism, a climate damages recovery act, which targets historical emissions and builds on the architecture of recent tobacco compensation agreements, in which large manufacturers have been held responsible for public health costs to the tune of $33 billion.

Vermont passed its Climate Superfund Act in 2024, and it was followed shortly thereafter by a similar act in New York. New York's legislation requires the major emitters of greenhouse gas, or GHG, to pay $75 billion over 25 years—that is, $3 billion a year—to adapt municipal infrastructure.

How does that work? Companies are billed a proportionate fraction of the adaptation costs, which is calculated based on their share of global historical emissions over a reference period, for example, from 2000 to 2025.

We estimate that a Canadian climate superfund could generate between $3 billion and $6 billion per year over the next 25 years. These funds could serve to compensate victims of climate damage, stabilize the home insurance system and fund the adaptation of our communities.

These two measures could help correct the inequity that's making low- and middle-income households not only pay more for their energy bills, but also pay out of pocket for the costs of climate damages.

It's time to align our budget rules with basic principles of fairness. Let us put the costs on those responsible for them, that is, mainly, the companies that are raking in windfall profits and that have generated the GHG emissions, not the households that are suffering the consequences.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Thank you, Mr. Gignac.

We will now continue with Mr. Appleton for five minutes.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Madam Chair, I have a point of order.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Yes, Mr. Garon, go ahead.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

I apologize. I had a technical issue at the start of the meeting because of the connection. I seem to have missed the unanimous consent regarding interpretation. This is because I'm participating remotely. I know it's a delicate issue, but could you explain why there's no interpretation?

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

My apologies, Mr. Garon. What happened is that Mr. Appleton's Internet connection isn't sufficient to support interpretation. That's why I asked for the committee's unanimous consent to allow him to use his time.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

I understand, Madam Chair, but I really did have a technical issue here. I don't want this to be detrimental to the witnesses either, but I won't be able to do my parliamentary work.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

No, that's fine. If that's not acceptable, Mr. Garon, that's fine.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Unfortunately. I apologize for that.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

That's fine. That's why I asked for the committee's consent.

I apologize, Mr. Appleton, but we need to be able to interpret. If you would like to send your opening remarks via text, we will circulate them to the committee. It is important for us to do that. Thank you for—

Barry Appleton Interim Director, Balsillie Legal Advisory Centre, As an Individual

Madam Chair, is it possible to try the interpretation on my current connection?

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

It has already been decided by the House of Commons that the current connection is insufficient for interpretation. It's unfortunate. I thank you for your time. Please submit your written remarks. You're obviously welcome to stay for the duration of the meeting, but we won't be able to hear you if we don't have UC from members.

We're going to move on now to Mr. Beatty for five minutes.

Stephen Beatty Industry Consultant, As an Individual

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Honourable members of the Standing Committee on Finance, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you during your pre-budget consultations.

This is an important time for Canada and one that requires a great deal of thought as we move forward. Of course, every budget has to be evaluated in the context of its times. This year's budget comes against the backdrop of the CUSMA review at a pivotal moment for the auto industry.

Canada's auto sector, our second-largest export industry, faces an urgent decision. The CUSMA review will determine whether Canadian vehicle assembly remains viable or declines rapidly. If tariffs persist, Canadian plants, 85% of whose production serves U.S. customers, cannot absorb the extra costs of those tariffs. It would result in plant closures, lost jobs and severe economic impacts, especially in smaller communities that support our supply chain.

However, listening very carefully to the concerns and negotiating objectives of all three CUSMA partners, I believe there is a path to renewal. A restructured fortress North America agreement based on strong regional rules of origin, harmonized regulations and fair treatment of North American content is possible. The detailed elements of what I believe should be in that policy are in my written submission to the committee.

Even a renewed CUSMA requires new national priorities. Strategic funding set aside for industrial transition must be deployed to retool plants and drive innovation in critical areas like powertrain, Internet-connected technology and services, and advanced manufacturing. However, the protection of a revised trade deal must not become a crutch for industry. We have to accelerate rapidly to regain global competitiveness and leadership.

Canada must act decisively, regardless of the outcome. To advance, we need to replace the current policy dissonance in Ottawa. We need a national automotive strategy treated as a strategic project, guided by clear goals, coordinated across government and integrated with trade, industrial, and environmental policies. This strategy should also address the growing threat of transshipment from non-regional players, particularly China, and protect our connected vehicle data and infrastructure.

On the other hand, if we abandon auto manufacturing in favour of expanded trade liberalization, much as Australia has done, a national strategy to transition manufacturers and workers out of the sector is going to be required. To answer the question that I'm sure is on everyone's mind, Canada has the financial resources to underwrite the shift either way. There are ample funds remaining in the strategic response fund and billions of dollars committed but unspent under the previous EV supply chain strategy. Additional funds could be recovered by terminating the federal iZEV program that currently subsidizes imported vehicles.

To me, the choice is clear. It's a choice of growth or decline. By moving quickly to secure a modernized trade framework and investing in innovation and transition, Canada can ensure that our auto industry remains a pillar of our economy, supporting prosperity, jobs and strategic capability for decades to come, but we have a very narrow window for those decisions to be made.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I look forward to any questions the committee may have.

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Great. Thank you very much, Mr. Beatty.

I will continue now with Ms. Vicente from Hitachi Energy Canada.

Carla Vicente Canada Managing Director, Hitachi Energy Canada

Madam Chair and honourable members, thank you for the invitation.

It's an honour to be with you all today.

Hitachi Energy is a global leader in power grid technology. In Canada, we design, engineer, manufacture and deliver the critical systems that enable electricity to move safely, reliably and efficiently, from high-voltage equipment and transformers to grid automation and system integration.

For generations, Hitachi Energy has helped build Canada's electricity grid. Today, we are strengthening Canadian transformer manufacturing to power the country's next chapter.

We operate across the full electricity value chain, supporting transmission systems, interprovincial grids, industrial electrification and the integration of new power generation.

For over 100 years, we have been part of the industrial backbone that enables Canada's electricity system to function and continue to grow. As the federal national electricity strategy points out, Canada is entering a decisive decade. Electricity demand is expected to at least double by 2050, driven by electrification, AI and industrial growth. Meeting this demand will require over $1 trillion in electricity infrastructure investments. That is not only an energy challenge but a nation-building opportunity that is aligned with the government's priorities of economic growth, productivity and Canadian competitiveness.

At Hitachi Energy, we are investing directly in Canada's energy future. In Varennes, we announced in 2025 an additional $270-million investment to expand our large power manufacturing facility for transformers, building on a prior $140-million investment in 2024. This project will nearly triple production capacity and create approximately 500 high-quality jobs, strengthening both regional economic development and Canada's position as a global clean energy manufacturing hub.

With the right policy conditions in place, there is a clear pathway for additional investments to be made in Canada, and we continue to expand grid infrastructure and manufacturing capacity. More broadly, projects like these, alongside other clean industrial initiatives, represent billions of dollars in investment, but their success ultimately depends on one thing: access to reliable, scalable and modern grid infrastructure.

Therefore, I'm offering four recommendations for budget 2026.

First, prioritize a made-in-Canada grid supply chain. Global demand for grid components is surging, leading to longer lead times and increased costs. Transforming Canada into a competitive manufacturing hub for critical grid technologies will strengthen supply chain security, create jobs locally and support regional economic development.

Second, strengthen grid planning capabilities to support future system needs. Leveraging global expertise and Canadian experience, Hitachi Energy stands ready to support utilities and governments alike in assessing options, de-risking investments and designing solutions that are aligned with priorities. Our recent investment in an HVDC simulation centre right here in Canada—one of only three globally—will provide a unique platform for customers to test and simulate system scenarios.

Third, pair investment with regulatory certainty and workforce development. Faster and more predictable permitting processes are essential to ensuring that projects are delivered on time and on budget. At the same time, targeted investments in skills and workforce capacity will ensure that Canada can execute at the scale required.

Finally, expand clean economy investment tax credits. Critical grid technologies and equipment manufacturing are excluded from ITC eligibility, creating a gap as Canada must expand its grid rapidly. This misaligns the ITC framework. For example, transformers qualify under the clean electricity ITC when deployed by utilities, but their manufacturing does not qualify under the clean technology manufacturing ITC. We incentivize use but not domestic production. Including transformer manufacturing would restore alignment, support developers and manufacturers and strengthen Canada's supply chain. Without this change we risk relying further on imports, undermining our competitiveness and energy security.

In conclusion, the path forward is clear: invest in the network, build it here and do it faster. Hitachi Energy Canada is ready to contribute to these objectives given our long-standing presence in the country, as well as our domestic processing capacity and our global expertise in network technology.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Thank you, Ms. Vicente.

I will now turn it over to Mr. Kelly. We're going to have time for one round of votes—

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Crowfoot, AB

It's one round of questions.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Yes, questions. Thank you.