Finance Committee on Oct. 5th, 2026

[François-Philippe Champagne, Liberal, Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC]

If you want the answer—

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

I want the names.

[François-Philippe Champagne, Liberal, Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC]

I've been taught to call things by their name—

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

Name them then.

[François-Philippe Champagne, Liberal, Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC]

This is an agency independent of government that you're talking about—

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

That you've written off—

[François-Philippe Champagne, Liberal, Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC]

A number of reports have been made and we—

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

Your government literally said it's “not in the public interest” to get the money back. Can you tell us which five companies got the money—we need just the names—or can you commit today to tabling it for the companies that got the writeoff, yes or no?

[François-Philippe Champagne, Liberal, Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC]

What I can tell you is that when you're looking at recovering sums of money, you always do a cost-benefit analysis. In this case, the responsible officials have made [Inaudible—Editor].

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

You're dragging this on. It's very interesting that you voted in favour of a Conservative private member's bill to release the names of those companies that get large writeoffs. This would be one of those companies—

[Danielle Martin, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

On a point of order, Madam Chair, I'm curious as to what this has to do with Bill C-38.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Thank you, Dr. Martin.

Mr. Hallan, could you stick to Bill C-38, please?

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

He mentioned that it was when he was a minister, so I'm bringing up something that's very—

[François-Philippe Champagne, Liberal, Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC]

I've been a minister for more than a decade, sir.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

I would remind colleagues that we are here to discuss Bill C-38.

[François-Philippe Champagne, Liberal, Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC]

I've been minister of five departments.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Could we please speak to Bill C-38? Thank you.

I have Monsieur Garon.

[Jean-Denis Garon, Bloc, Mirabel, QC]

I have a reminder. When we were studying Bill C‑31 in the first hour, my colleague was asking questions about Bill C‑38. My Liberal colleagues asked questions about the excise tax rebate.

If the minister is willing to answer it—and I think he's open-minded—how is it out of order for my colleagues to be able to ask questions about what they want? That was done by the Liberals in the first hour.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Thank you, Mr. Garon.

Mr. Lefebvre, you have the floor.

[Eric Lefebvre]

Thank you, Madam Chair.

We are fortunate to have the Minister of Finance and National Revenue before us. It's in the public interest for Canadians. I would like my colleague to be able to continue asking his question, please.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Thank you.

Mr. Turnbull, you have the floor.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

Madam Chair, it's clear that the member's questioning is not related to Bill C-38. If Monsieur Garon had a problem with the previous line of questioning.... He should have called a point of order when the Liberal members were asking their questions if he felt that they were irrelevant.

In this case, we know that Mr. Hallan's questions are not related to the bill we're studying today.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Thank you, Mr. Turnbull.

Generally, when there are ministers present, I allow quite a bit of latitude. I would encourage colleagues to relate their questions to Bill C-38.

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

The Liberal cover-up is very clear to see, as usual. You won't release the names, for $34 million, of Liberal-connected companies that got large writeoffs.

I'll ask something about Bill C-38.

Thank you, because after Conservative pressure.... It wasn't too long ago when you thought removing the excise tax was a bad idea. You literally voted against removing the excise tax twice in the House of Commons. You bowed to Conservative pressure, but you only went halfway, because it was the excise tax.

Why not remove the clean fuel standard, the industrial carbon tax and the GST? This would save Canadians even more money. Why don't you do it until next Canada Day, how about that?

[François-Philippe Champagne, Liberal, Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC]

I thought you would stop after the “thank you” part, which would have been great, for a change.