Evidence of meeting #14 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was first.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clifford Atleo Sr.  Ahousaht First Nation
Robert Chamberlin  Chairman, First Nation Wild Salmon Alliance
Zo Ann Morten  Executive Director, Pacific Streamkeepers Federation
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Nancy Vohl
Tyrone McNeil  Vice-President and Tribal Chief, Stolo Tribal Council
Arthur Adolph  Director of Operations, St’át’imc Chiefs Council

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Thank you.

Next I want to move on to a question for Ms. Morten from the Stó:lo and for the other Fraser chiefs who are here.

As recently as late September, the fisheries minister was to make a decision on the net pen farms in the Broughton Archipelago. That decision was basically kicked down the road. Then there were to be consultations started with the seven first nations in that area.

Does that constitute consultation? Someone, I believe today, mentioned that the consultation hadn't taken place with those other first nations. Does that consultation with the seven nations in the area...? Will that be sufficient, or will it be another failed attempt by this government to form reconciliation?

Ms. Morten, are you able to speak?

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Executive Director, Pacific Streamkeepers Federation

Zo Ann Morten

My last name is Morten. I think you might be thinking of Alexandra Morton.

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Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

I'm.... Are you speaking on behalf of the Stó:lo?

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Executive Director, Pacific Streamkeepers Federation

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Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Pardon me.

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Executive Director, Pacific Streamkeepers Federation

Zo Ann Morten

I'm from the Streamkeepers.

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Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

You're from the Streamkeepers. Okay, pardon me.

Chief McNeil, would you comment?

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Vice-President and Tribal Chief, Stolo Tribal Council

Chief Tyrone McNeil

Thanks for the question.

First, we're extremely dissatisfied that the government originally committed to begin removing fish farms by September 30 as per Cohen and at the very last minute came up with an airy-fairy decision to allow them to stay there and then shoot for another date down the road.

Specifically to your question around consultation, the government is obliged to formally consult with those seven closest first nations, but I'm a thousand kilometres away from that and I'm directly impacted. I'm not potentially impacted; I'm directly impacted by those fish farms being there, and I have no opportunity to consult at all.

I can't remember the last time we engaged a minister or a deputy minister in a conversation around fishing in general. Too often we correspond to a minister, and we get a non-response back that's not even worth the paper it's written on.

The government has to do a lot of work on consultation, I think, in particular on article 19 of the declaration, which speaks of free, prior and informed consent; article 18, which speaks to our right to be involved in decisions that affect our rights—fish are a big piece of our rights—and, in particular, article 24, which speaks to protecting our food and our sustenance.

The short answer to your question is that the federal government has completely dropped the ball with regard to consultation for those of us who aren't part of those seven communities, but we do need to be involved.

Thank you.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Thank you.

I'm going to move on to another question and hopefully get a really quick answer from each of the participants today.

When you look at the federal government's actions and investments, what is being missed in their efforts to rebuild salmon stocks? In other words, if there was one thing you were able to do to restore our wild Pacific salmon stocks, what would that be?

I'll start at the top of the list with Mr. Atleo.

4:10 p.m.

Ahousaht First Nation

Clifford Atleo Sr.

It would be to start recognizing the results of their management, their poor management. To have the province untouchable, benefiting from the forests, but having a direct impact on rebuilding efforts—that is a huge problem.

There's much more to say, but I'll leave it at that. Thank you.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Mr. Chamberlin, would you comment?

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Chairman, First Nation Wild Salmon Alliance

Robert Chamberlin

The top one would be land-based closed containment. Second would be land-based closed containment. The third would be working with first nations across the province to redevelop and rehabilitate salmon habitat.

Thank you.

December 9th, 2020 / 4:15 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

A point of order, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Excuse me—

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Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

The interpretation was not working, but it's back now.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

I'm getting it translated to me in French. Is anybody else having that problem?

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Chairman, First Nation Wild Salmon Alliance

Robert Chamberlin

I was as well. Is it me?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Nancy, can we check to see why that is coming through?

Mr. Chamberlin, what have you got your translation set to?

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Chairman, First Nation Wild Salmon Alliance

Robert Chamberlin

I have it set to “English”.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Okay, so yours is done right. That's what it should be. There shouldn't be any translation. The only translation to French should be for Madame Gill or anyone who has selected French.

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Chairman, First Nation Wild Salmon Alliance

Robert Chamberlin

Do you want me to speak again?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

If it seems to be working now, yes.

There is limited time—

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Chairman, First Nation Wild Salmon Alliance

Robert Chamberlin

Yes, I understand—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

The time expired when Mr. Arnold finished asking his question, but I'll allow a quick answer from you, Mr. Chamberlin.

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Chairman, First Nation Wild Salmon Alliance

Robert Chamberlin

My answer is land-based closed containment now, and working with first nations across the province to identify rehabilitation efforts and get strategically out of the way to let the salmon come back.