Evidence of meeting #134 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was enforcement.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald
I haven't ruled on the question of privilege. That's what you can challenge. When I rule on on it, you can challenge it.
Conservative
Conservative
Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS
No, you're not.
Mr. Chair, I'm challenging your ability—
Conservative
Conservative
Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS
I'm challenging your ability to cut down debate when evidence is still being presented on the motion. I'm not challenging that you didn't make a ruling on the privilege motion. I acknowledge that. You made a ruling to shut down debate on the presentation of evidence on the privilege motion and I'm challenging your ruling on that.
Conservative
Conservative
Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS
Well, learn the rules. When I challenge a chair, it's not debatable. It's only votable.
Liberal
Mike Kelloway Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS
Can we vote? That's my small-town way of getting to the point.
Conservative
Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS
Then I'll keep presenting my evidence if it's not a ruling.
Conservative
Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS
It's a ruling to shut down the debate or it isn't, Clerk. Which is it? The chair is shutting down the debate, and I'm challenging his ruling on that. Are you telling me he hasn't shut down the debate?
The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Geneviève Dubois-Richard
He heard what he wanted to hear, and he will deliberate on the motion to—
Conservative
Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS
Of course he heard what he wanted. He's cutting off the evidence because he doesn't like the issue, but he doesn't have a right as chair to cut down the presentation of issues on a privilege motion. That's the ruling he made.
I challenged the chair on that, so I think it's an obligation of yours to hold a vote, under the rules.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald
It's not a ruling. The clerk is telling me we can't vote on it because it's not a ruling.
Conservative
Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS
It is a ruling. You ruled that I could not continue my presentation of evidence. If that's not a ruling, I'll continue my presentation of evidence.
Conservative
Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC
I'd like to read the rules on this. They say the following:
If a member wishes to raise a question of privilege during a committee meeting, or an incident arises in connection with the committee’s proceedings that may constitute a breach of privilege, the committee Chair allows the member to explain the situation. The Chair then determines whether the question raised in fact relates to parliamentary privilege.