Evidence of meeting #2 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Tina Miller
Michael Chalupovitsch  Committee Researcher

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

I now call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number two of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans. The committee is meeting today to discuss committee business.

The meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House order of November 25, 2021. Members are attending remotely using the Zoom application. The proceedings will be made available via the House of Commons website. So you are aware, the webcast will always show the person speaking rather than the entirety of the committee.

The meeting is also taking place in the webinar format. Webinars are for public committee meetings and are available only to members, their staff and witnesses. Members enter immediately as active participants. All functionalities for active participants remain the same. Staff will be non-active participants and can therefore view the meeting only in gallery view. I would like to take this opportunity to remind all participants in this meeting that screenshots or taking photos of your screen is not permitted.

To ensure an orderly meeting, I would like to outline a few rules to follow.

First, members may speak in the official language of their choice. Interpretation services are available for this meeting. You have the choice, at the bottom of your screen, of floor, English or French. If interpretation is lost, please inform me immediately and we will ensure interpretation is properly restored before resuming the proceedings. The “raise hand” feature at the bottom of the screen can be used at any time if you wish to speak or to alert the chair.

Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. If you are on the video conference, please click on the microphone icon to unmute yourself. For those in the room, your microphone will be controlled as usual by the proceedings and verification officer. When speaking, please speak slowly and clearly. When you are not speaking, it is the intent that you keep your mike on mute. As a reminder, all comments by members should be addressed through the chair. With regard to a speaking list, the committee clerk and I will do the best we can to maintain a consolidated order of speaking for all members, whether they are participating virtually or in person.

I have a few notes on how we will proceed today. I want to let everyone know that we have 14 or more motions before the committee. If we want to get through this in our two hours today, I will need to see co-operation among all of us. I will keep a list of those who wish to move their motions and a separate list of who wants to speak on the debate of that particular motion. Please do not interrupt another member who is speaking unless you have a point of order. If you raise your hand, I will get to you.

When making amendments, read slowly and clearly so interpreters and our committee staff can follow along. I will recognize each member who wishes to move a motion, one at a time. I will ask them to move their motion, and I will open the floor for debate or for amendments. Then, we will come to a decision on that motion. Once that motion is dealt with, I will move on to the next member who has a motion to move. If you have multiple motions to move, that's fine. I will get back to you again in the order of precedence, but you won't get to move all your motions at once. That way, it seems fair to everybody to get at least something done here today.

Before we start, does anyone have any questions or concerns about the procedure for today?

I see a hand up from Madame Desbiens.

11:05 a.m.

Bloc

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

Mr. Chair, I don't have any concerns, but there are a lot of captains on this ship, and I wanted to take the lead and cast off first.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Okay, Ms. Desbiens. You may go ahead. We're ready now to move on with your motions. You had your hand up.

11:05 a.m.

Bloc

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to seize the opportunity to welcome and thank the people from interpretation services, which are very important to me as a francophone.

This is my first notice of motion, on seafood labelling:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans undertake a study on the introduction of a food traceability program to curb seafood fraud and mislabelling and examine its potential impact on the economy, conservation efforts and food safety for Canadian consumers, fishers and producers; that the committee hold no less than four meetings; and that the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House.

There, we've cast off.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

That is not a problem. Thank you for that.

I see a bunch of hands up. I don't know if that's for making motions or to actually speak to this motion by Madame Desbiens.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Serge Cormier Liberal Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Just for clarification, Mr. Chair, I want to speak to the motion by Madame Desbiens.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Go ahead, Serge.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Serge Cormier Liberal Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Madame Desbiens, I know that you presented a motion on the labelling of seafood products. A notice of motion was received yesterday. Is the motion you presented today that same as today's, or is it a bit different?

11:10 a.m.

Bloc

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

It's not quite the same. We've removed a few things. I think that we didn't have a 48‑hour time limit, so we presented a new motion to the clerk with changes and withdrew a few things that were problematic.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Serge Cormier Liberal Acadie—Bathurst, NB

That's perfect.

I just wanted to know if it was indeed the same motion. I see that some words are different. I obtained the answers I wanted. Thank you.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Are there any other questions or debate on the motion?

I'm not seeing any. I don't know if it's the intent of the committee.... I'm not seeing any objection, only a clarification from Mr. Cormier. Can I assume that we will see this motion pass unanimously?

(Motion agreed to)

We'll now go to Mr. Perkins.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Just as a quick clarification before I go to the motions, are the motions that we gave notice of at meeting number one assumed to have been tabled, and do we speak to them in the order in which they were tabled?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

It's not in the order in which they were tabled. For example, right now I'm recognizing you to go next, so you can introduce one of the motions you put forward, and then I'll go to the next one.

Just to let people know where we are with the hands up for motions, Mr. Perkins will go now, and then Mr. Hardie and Mr. Arnold. I ask that those guys be ready to go, and then Mr. Zimmer after that and then Mr. Small. You can lower those hands for now. That way, when you put your hand up, it will be to speak to the particular motion that is being put at this time.

Mr. Perkins, go ahead whenever you're ready.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

I move, “That the committee request that the Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard appear before the committee for a two-hour meeting in the first week of February 2022 to speak to the issues related to her portfolio.”

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

We've heard the content of the motion.

Mr. Kelloway, go ahead.

January 18th, 2022 / 11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Kelloway Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

I want to thank the member opposite for that motion.

I personally believe it's always important to have ministers and their officials appear before committee. I am certainly in favour of the minister appearing, and I know she would be as well, but I'd like to think, and I'd like to remind some folks, that perhaps what we could do is look at scoping this in a more definitive fashion.

I propose that we amend the motion to state that the minister would appear to speak to the mandate letter from the Prime Minister, which is significant, and to the supplementary estimates (C) for 2021-22. Given that this meeting is happening before the House returns, I would also like to leave room for the actual tabling of the supplementary estimates (C), in terms of timing.

I propose that we look at an amendment to this, which would reflect the framework under which.... It would speak to the mandate letter and also to the supplementary estimates (C).

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Could I ask for clarification, Mr. Kelloway? Could you read the motion as amended by your amendment?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Kelloway Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

Very good, Mr. Chair, I will: “That the committee invite the Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard for one hour, and senior officials for two hours, to appear in consideration of the supplementary (C) estimates, and the Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard's mandate letter at their earliest convenience.”

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Thank you.

Mr. Cormier, do you want to speak to the amendment?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Serge Cormier Liberal Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I'm sorry, Mr. Chair; it's not for the amendment; it's just to be on the list for motions.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Okay, we have that. You can lower your hand.

Is there any discussion?

Mr. Perkins, go ahead.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

I can't support the amendment. One, it's limiting it to one hour, and two, it's too narrow a scope. I think we need to probe the minister on broader issues than just those in the mandate letter.

I guess I'll leave it at that. We need her for the full two hours.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Kelloway Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

With respect to the member opposite, I think that, in particular, the mandate letter provides a definitive scope and platform by which to get into some of the substantial issues in the fishery. I respect the member opposite's opinion, but I believe scope and framework for getting the most we can from the minister during that time frame would be important.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Mr. Kelloway, do you want to respond?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Thank you.

Mr. Arnold, go ahead.