Evidence of meeting #6 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was certainly.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Joanne Thompson  Minister of Fisheries
Gibbons  Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Burns  Assistant Deputy Minister, Fisheries and Harbour Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to the sixth meeting of the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans.

As always, I want to start by acknowledging that we are gathered on the ancestral and unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people. I express gratitude that we are able to do the important work of this committee on lands they've stewarded since time immemorial.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee is meeting for briefing with the Honourable Joanne Thompson, Minister of Fisheries.

Today’s meeting is being held in a hybrid format. In accordance with the Standing Orders, members may participate in person or over Zoom.

I think we're all here in person today.

Before we continue, I would like to ask all in-person participants to consult the guidelines written on the cards on the table. These measures are in place to help prevent audio and feedback incidents and protect the health and safety of all participants, especially the interpreters. You will also notice a QR code on the card, which links to a short awareness video.

I would like to make a few comments for the benefit of the witnesses and members.

Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking.

For witnesses in the room, you may use the headset and select the desired channel.

This is a reminder that all comments should be addressed through the chair.

If members present in the room wish to speak, they must raise their hands.

I would now like to officially welcome our witnesses.

First, we have the Honourable Joanne Thompson, Minister of Fisheries. From the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, we have Adam Burns, assistant deputy minister of fisheries and harbour management; Annette Gibbons, deputy minister; and Richard Goodyear, assistant deputy minister and chief financial officer.

Before we get started, I'm going to do something a bit differently today. So that we can keep track of our time, when there are 30 seconds left in your time for questions, I'm going to raise this folder, and when we get to the end, I'm going to raise this other folder.

I'll hand the floor over to the minister for her opening remarks for five minutes or less.

8:15 a.m.

St. John's East Newfoundland & Labrador

Liberal

Joanne Thompson LiberalMinister of Fisheries

Thank you and good morning.

Before I begin, I would like to say what an honour it is for me to be the Minister of Fisheries and have a chance to lead a department with such a profound economic, environmental and cultural importance to Canadians, our country and the world.

Mr. Chair, as you know, our new government is on a clear path to transform the economy and strengthen prosperity.

I'm sorry. I'm still working on my French, but it's important for me to do that.

I'm proud to join—

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

We're going to have to stop. We're having some issues with the translation.

We're going to do a short test.

I will speak in French to see if the interpretation is working.

Is it coming through now? Great.

I apologize for that. Let's start over from the top.

Minister, I'll hand the floor back over to you for your opening remarks.

Joanne Thompson Liberal St. John's East, NL

Thank you. If there are any challenges, you can stop me again.

Good morning.

Before I begin, I want to say what an honour it is for me [Inaudible—Editor] this issue and have the chance to lead a department [Technical difficulty—Editor] country.

Do you want me to start from the beginning again? Okay.

Mr. Chair, as you know, our new government is on a clear path to transform the economy and strengthen prosperity.

I was proud to join the Prime Minister in St. John's last month for the announcement of the regional tariff response initiative, which will help businesses throughout Atlantic Canada, including the seafood sector, deal with the impacts of tariffs. We have so many innovative seafood companies in Canada that ship our sustainable seafood to more than 100 countries. The amount of $7.6 billion is how much our companies exported to the world last year. In these challenging times, the Government of Canada will be there to help establish new markets, strengthen ties with existing one, and create new and innovative products.

I have been across the country this summer listening to harvesters, workers, community members and stakeholders from across this sector. These meetings were focused on the pressing issues facing Canadian fisheries and coastal communities. These meetings have also helped to inform my own priorities. I'd like to highlight some of them this morning.

Let's begin with economic prosperity. As minister, I am committed to driving economic growth in coastal, rural and indigenous communities. I want to make sure that the benefits of fisheries go to the people who do the fishing and to the people in their communities. By collaborating with provinces, territories, indigenous partners, industry and stakeholders, we can grow fishing economies in ways that are economically, environmentally and socially sustainable.

In June I announced an increase to the total allowable catch, TAC, for northern cod in Newfoundland and Labrador based on input from partners and the latest scientific data. As a Newfoundlander, this was an especially proud moment for me. My sincere hope is that with a renewed and vibrant cod fishery, young people will return to seeing fish harvesting as more than just a recreational activity but as a sustainable and fulfilling career. Additionally, I increased the TAC for herring in southwest Nova Scotia after receiving additional scientific data, allowing for more prosperity in that region.

This is good news for coastal communities. These decisions take a responsible path—backed by science—increasing economic prosperity for harvesters, processors and coastal communities.

I also want to take a moment to place some emphasis on our government's commitment to the owner-operator model. Owner-operator is not just a way of doing business; it is a way of life. Ensuring that owner-operator is sustained at status quo is not enough. We must, and will, do more to close the loopholes that are being abused and further strengthen the owner-operator regulations on the east coast. On the west coast, the government remains firmly committed to modernizing the fishery and conducting thorough and thoughtful consultations with industry and indigenous communities. Furthermore, our government is committed to building a unified and strong Canadian economy by leveraging our natural and human resources, including three oceans and one-fifth of the world's fresh water.

Canada's greatest strength remains its people—highly skilled, educated, innovative and diverse. By creating the right opportunities and by removing burdensome red tape, we can help boost the Canadian economy during difficult periods of tariffs and trade tensions. To that end, I will work with my cabinet colleagues to advance major infrastructure projects quickly, safely and responsibly through the Major Projects Office. I'll also advocate for policies that support safe shipping corridors and maintain strong environmental protections as we grow the economy.

I will also say that DFO has heard loud and clear that people want us to enforce the Fisheries Act to ensure that we are holding everyone accountable and to ensure that when someone is fishing against the rules, there are consequences. Progress has been made, but there's more work to do. My priority is to ensure that our fisheries officers have clear rules and licence conditions to enforce and that they have the tools necessary to do this.

I realize that I'm running out of time. I'd be happy to talk in more depth as we move through the next hour.

Please know that these are not just goals. They are paths to a stronger, more prosperous Canada. I look forward to working with all of you to that end.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

Thank you very much, Minister.

With that, we'll start our first round of questioning with the Conservative Party.

Mr. Small, you have six minutes.

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Central Newfoundland, NL

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

“They have eyes that don't see and ears that don't hear.” That's how a prominent fishing industry stakeholder from Newfoundland describes DFO in terms of its management of the mackerel fishery after 10 years of Liberal rule and seven ministers.

During the last election, Minister, Mr. Carney committed to listening to what he hears at the wharf. While you use the power of your authority, and instead of listening to your ENGO-inspired entourage, listen to the fishing industry and commit to reopening the mackerel fishery in Atlantic Canada here today in this committee. Reopen that fishery this fall, Minister.

Joanne Thompson Liberal St. John's East, NL

Mr. Chair, through you to Mr. Small, thank you for the question.

I was very fortunate this summer to spend time across the country coast to coast to coast and in my province. I met with harvesters, visited plants, spoke with processors and spoke with plant workers. Across all of those conversations, there was a shared commitment that we would work together.

Obviously, science needs to be paramount in all decisions and it is a process, but I also believe and respect that we need to link with harvesters, the people on the water who are invested so much in ensuring we have stocks in good order to be able to continue fishing. I have asked—

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Central Newfoundland, NL

Thank you. Your officials—

Joanne Thompson Liberal St. John's East, NL

Excuse me. I have asked industry to provide me with scientific data—

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Central Newfoundland, NL

Mr. Chair, I think we're supposed to have equal amounts of time for asking a question and getting a response. I think it's getting a little out of balance here already.

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

I'm sorry. I'll pause the time, Mr. Small.

It is your time. You're able to ask the questions. The minister is going to respond as she may, but it is your time to use as you see fit. I'll go back—

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Central Newfoundland, NL

Yes, and on behalf of the fishing industry, I'd like to express the disappointment that's been coming to me from the fishing industry to pass on to the minister here this morning. The industry has been begging the minister. They've had multiple consultations this year with the aim of reopening the mackerel fishery.

The evidence is there. People in her department have been at sea during surveys and they've seen it acoustically. Samples have been sent to Mont-Joli. When will you reopen the mackerel fishery and stop listening to ENGOs?

Joanne Thompson Liberal St. John's East, NL

I will assure you that when I met with industry I asked them to provide me with their scientific data, and then I'm happy to look at that, and—

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Central Newfoundland, NL

You have the scientific data. The data was gathered with equipment that was placed on a harvester's vessel. Your scientists were on board. They saw the mackerel acoustically. Unlike what your officials said to us in 2022—that mackerel could not be observed acoustically—they now know that mackerel can be seen acoustically. They saw it in great quantities.

You've seen social media. You've been around the province. You've been throughout Atlantic Canada. You know the mackerel is there. That's not the question. Why won't you reopen that fishery, Minister?

Joanne Thompson Liberal St. John's East, NL

All science decisions, Mr. Small, or all decisions on a fishery are based on science and consultations. I did see the videos. I did speak with industry. They are coming with their science. Obviously, the video—

8:25 a.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Central Newfoundland, NL

But it's your science: It's in your hands. It was taken with your equipment. Why won't you listen to those who have been on the water? Prime Minister Carney said that he'd listen to what he heard at the wharves. You've listened to it. You've heard it loud and clear. Why will you not reinstate the mackerel fishery?

Americans have landed around 12,000 tonnes since we shut down our fishery in 2022. Why will you not commit today to reopen that mackerel fishery for the people who sent you here? You have an opportunity to make a positive impact. You talked about tariffs, but tariffs don't matter to the mackerel fishermen and the processors. It doesn't matter. They have nothing to catch. A tariff on zero is zero.

Will you commit right now to reopening that mackerel fishery?

Joanne Thompson Liberal St. John's East, NL

I commit to looking at all data points to make a decision that will ensure we have a strong mackerel fishery in the future and the science supports reopening of the fishery.

8:30 a.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Central Newfoundland, NL

Do you consider shutting down a fishery, leaving it closed and losing that valuable data-gaining opportunity a rebuilding measure?

Joanne Thompson Liberal St. John's East, NL

I support ensuring that we have a strong fishery into the future so that the next generations of harvesters are able to enjoy the livelihood my generation has enjoyed. I will ensure that we have science-based decisions in consultation—

8:30 a.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Central Newfoundland, NL

How do you feel the mackerel fishermen are enjoying their livelihood right now? Do you think they're enjoying their livelihood as they sit here watching this, when they could be on the water today, harvesting mackerel? They're absolutely more numerous than they've ever been in history.

Seeing is believing. Why will you not believe your eyes and use your ears to listen, as you've committed to doing? The time is now, and it needs to happen.

Will you commit to reopening the mackerel fishery?

Joanne Thompson Liberal St. John's East, NL

Mr. Small, I lived through the cod moratorium. I have no intention of doing anything that will compromise an industry. We need to ensure that the mackerel we're seeing are of an age that will allow for a sustainable fishery.

I take this very seriously.

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

Thank you very much, Mr. Small.

Next, we're going to Mr. Connors for six minutes or less.

Paul Connors Liberal Avalon, NL

Welcome, Minister.

I'm going to start by talking about the cod fishery. In your opening statement, you talked about doubling the quota. What concerns have been raised about increasing the total allowable catch from 18,000 tonnes to 38,000 tonnes or how the TAC was allocated?

You've travelled around the province and different parts of Atlantic Canada. How has that fishery gone this year?

Joanne Thompson Liberal St. John's East, NL

As a Newfoundlander and Labradorian, it was so hopeful for me to be able to support doubling the TAC this year. I travelled around the province and Atlantic Canada, and certainly for Newfoundland and Labrador, it has been a strong boost to our economy.

I was at Icewater in Arnold's Cove and saw the plant working. We're probably at close to 12 months this year. There's a strong economic benefit to the plant workers, Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, who are able to stay at home in well-paying jobs. That was really quite encouraging.

As we move forward, it's important to always ensure that the decisions made are decisions that will ensure the stock remains strong and we have a cod fishery into the future. I look forward to seeing the data from this season. It will be very helpful as we engage on all of these decisions. We will engage with all stakeholders as we look to next year, but it certainly appears that it's been a very successful season.

Paul Connors Liberal Avalon, NL

Thank you very much. That's good news for the fishers of Newfoundland and Labrador.

My next question is about new entrants. I recently met with some folks from Newfoundland who are involved with the fishery, and they have big concerns about new entrants. They are wondering what you're planning in order to attract new entrants or make it affordable for new entrants to be able to enter into the fishing industry.