Evidence of meeting #61 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was students.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Stephen Mooney  Director, Cold Climate Innovation, Yukon Research Centre, Yukon College
James Manicom  Research Fellow, Global Security, Centre for International Governance Innovation
Karen Barnes  President, Yukon College

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

You also spoke about commercial shipping. Realistically, what can we expect in the next, say, 10 years in the increase in commercial shipping? And what will the impact be on northern communities? Are there some real economic benefits that can be captured with that type of expansion?

9:35 a.m.

Research Fellow, Global Security, Centre for International Governance Innovation

Dr. James Manicom

I think the benefit to northern communities arises from whether there are ports available so that ships can come and go. Otherwise, ships just drive right by. Obviously, the effect on the northern communities would be a function of discharge and all kinds of other things. Of course, pollution from ships is more than just exhaust. There are also the things they bring along with them on the bottom—barnacles and whatnot. But there are also rules under MARPOL and SOLAS. There are a bunch of international conventions that regulate the quality of ship and what it's allowed to emit. The issue is how strict we can make those and whether the countries flagging the ships will follow those rules.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

Finally, you touched on the difference in spending by the Chinese, and I think you said the Koreans as well. It was 20:80 for Arctic and Antarctic. Why are they so interested in the Antarctic?

9:35 a.m.

Research Fellow, Global Security, Centre for International Governance Innovation

Dr. James Manicom

Yes, the Antarctic has 80% of their budget.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

What is it in the Antarctic that interests them?

9:35 a.m.

Research Fellow, Global Security, Centre for International Governance Innovation

Dr. James Manicom

For the Chinese, it's resources, which puts them at odds with every other Antarctic country. That's my understanding. I'm not an expert on the Antarctic, by any stretch. My understanding is that most Antarctic countries are interested in freezing territorial claims and in doing science down there—polar science. The Chinese, as I understand it, are alone in their interest in resource exploration and mining, and that raises questions. How far can they push that along and still abide by all the legal instruments down there.

In Korea, the interests relate to meteorites, particularly, but also to general climate science and the lessons that can be learned from that. These are countries that experience climate change. We don't often think of them as experiencing climate change, but they do. The Chinese government is aware that the Gobi Desert advances on Beijing a couple of feet every year, and it's less than 100 kilometres away now.

The Chinese government, in particular, is aware of climate change, and it's aware that it's a problem. It's reluctant to sign up to binding international commitments on emissions and things, because it doesn't think anybody else is going to follow the rules. But that is a government that is concerned about climate change. They lack the capacity to implement a lot of their own legislation, which relates to a centre-periphery disconnect that is as old as China itself. It's from long before the People's Republic. The Chinese government is worried about climate change, as are Japan and South Korea, and that relates a lot to what their polar research agenda is.

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you very much. That's all the time we have.

We're going to move over to Mr. Bevington to wrap up the first round today.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Dennis Bevington NDP Western Arctic, NT

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

To Mr. Mooney, being a northerner myself all my life, and having had to deal with the high cost of living and the energy issues, I feel that the work you're doing there is extremely important. I congratulate you on it.

This week there's a very large meeting of ArcticNet. Do you have direct involvement with that organization? Perhaps you could explain to people what it does internationally.

9:40 a.m.

Director, Cold Climate Innovation, Yukon Research Centre, Yukon College

Stephen Mooney

Sure. The Yukon Research Centre does have a booth down there. I spoke about the Northern Climate ExChange. Our team works down there because we have worked with the ArcticNet countries, and the ArcticNet is interesting. It is more a course in basic science, not the applied research. I have helped sponsor a dual-penetrating radar system that is used in glaciation exploration and research; it is down there and being shown off. The ArcticNet is interesting because it focuses on the sciences and it is global.

In Canada, I could say ArcticNet has mostly been in the eastern Arctic, and the Yukon Research Centre has been involved in some of that, especially through our ReSDA program. But I think that ties in with the Arctic Council, because it's where the researchers hang out. When those partnerships are formed in the ArcticNet, that information can be transposed and the Arctic Council can use that as potential policy-making. So it is vital. I don't play in that area as much, because I like building things and making things happen and helping industry, but I do see it as a vital research and communications tool. An exchange-of-information conference is going on right now.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Dennis Bevington NDP Western Arctic, NT

Would you see that the model for sustainable development would be to look at the organization, such as ArcticNet, to see how we could tie together internationally those institutions that are working on research on real issues? I'm with you there. What's the platform that is going to work for you long term?

9:40 a.m.

Director, Cold Climate Innovation, Yukon Research Centre, Yukon College

Stephen Mooney

It is those partnerships that you speak of. ArcticNet has brought those researchers together globally. I think it's a great venue, but one thing: without ArcticNet, communication around the globe is simple now, and we are forming our own partnerships. This is an added venue, but I think when good researchers, smart people, get together, they think of smart projects, and through communications and technology those partnerships are getting tighter and closer together.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Dennis Bevington NDP Western Arctic, NT

Another subject—it's an international subject on education. Of course, it's UArctic. I'm sure you're familiar with that. Over the last few years, the Government of Canada has backed off from some of the support it provided to UArctic, which is a virtual circumpolar university. It's still going strong in the other countries. Do you think we should be upping our game with UArctic and opening that up in a better fashion for our students in individual communities right across the north?

You have 13 campuses in the Yukon. We have 23 learning centres in three campuses in the Northwest Territories, and similarly in Nunavut. We're never going to put them all in one place. We need that virtual connection, just as we have with you today.

9:45 a.m.

Director, Cold Climate Innovation, Yukon Research Centre, Yukon College

Stephen Mooney

Yes, I don't disagree. I think Dr. Karen Barnes may speak about UArctic in the next session, so you can definitely ask her questions about that, but Yukon College is involved in UArctic. We have one instructor who does the courses online. I think again that innovation and how we can bring these northerners together is a great idea.

In the Yukon we're spoiled. I said it before: 97% of Yukoners have access to high-speed Internet. No other territory or province can match that in Canada. I'd love to see more bandwidth going into these northern communities so we could have things like this, more video distance learning and such. So I think it is coming, and it would be a good idea to help push that envelope. CANARIE and CanNor, or venues like that, could assist in that direction.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Dr. Manicom, thank you very much for being here, and Mr. Mooney, thank you for getting up so early to join us this morning.

With that, I will suspend for one minute. We'll get ready for the next witnesses.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

I want to welcome Dr. Karen Barnes, who is the president of Yukon College. Dr. Barnes, thank you for getting up so early in Whitehorse to join us.

I'm going to turn it over to you for your opening testimony, and then the members of Parliament can ask questions.

Dr. Barnes, thank you again for being here. I will turn the floor over to you, and we'll look forward to your opening statement.

December 11th, 2012 / 9:45 a.m.

Dr. Karen Barnes President, Yukon College

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good morning, everyone. Thank you very much for the invitation to speak with you today. I congratulate the committee for seeking out northern voices in your deliberations for the Arctic foreign policy study.

First, I will give you a little background. I'm the president of Yukon College, which is located in Whitehorse but serves all of Yukon through its 11 rural campuses. In addition to the robust research centre, which you have just heard about from Stephen Mooney, we deliver 40-plus career programs in skilled trades, technology, heath, education, social services, business, tourism, hospitality, and other areas. We also deliver three baccalaureate degrees and three master's degrees through partnerships with Canadian and Alaskan universities. We serve about 1,200 learners in full-time programs and about 6,800 registrants in workplace-related training and continuing education. We also house the Centre for Northern Innovation in Mining and the Northern Institute of Social Justice, and we are building a northern first nations governance institute, which I'll speak about in a few minutes.

I came to Yukon from Alberta in 2008, and I want to emphasize that despite growing up in the so-called northern city of Edmonton, I had no real understanding of the north until I came to live here. Notwithstanding my short time here, I have become fiercely protective of the place and the people that are Canada's north, and I believe that institutions such as Yukon College play a critical role in ensuring that perspective is heard.

Minister Aglukkaq says she wants the Canadian chair of the Arctic Council to be about northern development occurring through the development of northern people. That is what I want to speak about today: how we build capacity for that to occur. I want to talk about four areas northerners can actively engage in within the circumpolar call to discussion: education and training, labour mobility, governance, and research.

First is education and training, because for me everything starts and ends with education. At Yukon College our slogan is “start here. go anywhere.” This is built on the belief that if you provide people with a sound educational foundation, they will go on to become engaged contributing citizens.

For many northerners it is imperative that we provide that education where they live. We have many examples of individuals who have come to the college to begin a degree and have gone on to universities in the south. Many of those don't return, and the north loses the benefit of their education. But when we are able to deliver the full degree in the north, it is a different story.

This year we'll be graduating our first learners from our Bachelor of Science degree with the University of Alberta. These individuals have already found work in the north and will stay to become researchers or practising scientists, helping to investigate and solve multiple problems and concerns of the north. All three territorial colleges have been graduating nurses, teachers, and social workers for many years. Again, those graduates stay and contribute to the development of the north.

You just heard about the activity at the Yukon Research Centre. Because we are in our infancy, most of the graduate students and researchers involved there grew up and were trained in the south. However, with the Bachelor of Science and other degrees being delivered in Yukon, we'll soon have northern youths from northern communities conducting research and finding answers for the north in the north. In every other northern country in the world, young people have that opportunity. We need it to happen in Canada.

One other example is our new mineral resource technology programs. Thanks to CanNor, which funded the development and the pilot, this new, very rigorous program will produce geological technologists for the mining as well as oil and gas sectors. Already the Geological Survey of Canada is interested in these graduates, as are all of the exploration companies currently working in Yukon, because the graduates are northerners trained in the north.

Yukon College was a founding member of the University of the Arctic and continues to provide instruction in the Bachelor of Circumpolar Studies. Since 2004 we have had 290 students at Yukon College participate in these online courses, part of the group of 566 students who have participated from all over the circumpolar world. As 97% of Yukon is connected to high-speed Internet, access to these courses exists for all Yukoners. The recently terminated north2north program was another opportunity that allowed Canadian northern students to experience and study in another northern country. Yukon College has nine outgoing students from that program who travel to Finland, Sweden, and Russia to study. One of those, a born and bred Yukoner, went on to complete her master's in public administration from the University of Alaska at Yukon College and is now a senior policy analyst in the Yukon government's economic development department.

These are examples of how we can grow the knowledge sector in the north to produce the highly qualified people who are so desperately needed to inform discussion.

Access to high-quality higher learning in the north by northerners is a circumpolar issue.

Labour mobility and workforce development are very real concerns for all northerners. As resource development continues, attracting and retaining the highly qualified people required to conduct exploration geoscience, environmental monitoring and remediation, and mine site development become increasingly challenging. Working together across the circumpolar north to share the expertise and curriculum will produce a considerable advantage and cost savings.

Yukon College's Centre for Northern Innovation in Mining recently signed an agreement with the University of Alaska that will see us immediately exchanging faculty, curriculum, and students, and, hopefully, eventually enabling labour movement from the University of Alaska Southeast to support the mining sector. Our mineral resource technologist program should soon be ready to articulate directly into the mine engineering program at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. This will create a new workforce of experts who are ready, willing, and able to work within the challenging and unique environment north of 60. We are also working closely together with the University of Alaska Fairbanks to develop training for justice and corrections workers in rural or remote communities through our Northern Institute of Social Justice. Yukon College has been involved with the Pacific NorthWest Economic Region discussions for the past year as well. In this way we are exploring other possible partnerships with our American counterparts in Alaska.

The movement of skilled labour and highly qualified people across the global north is a circumpolar issue.

Governance is another area that is critical across the global north. Yukon, with 11 settled land claims, is a leader in the negotiation and implementation of modern treaties. At Yukon College we are working hard to capture the knowledge and expertise among the first nations and government negotiators and turn it into training. With our partners at the University of Saskatchewan, we are developing a degree in first nations governance, and we have already delivered the first year to two cohorts of students, all individuals currently working within their own first nations governments. The knowledge these learners can share with other indigenous groups across the global north is valuable and timely as they grapple with issues such as environmental protection, resource development, food security, and, most importantly, how to build a satisfying and fruitful relationship with other governments locally, nationally, and internationally to meet development goals. We are currently in the beginning stages of building the infrastructure to house this expertise in a northern first nations governance institute.

The implementation of land treaties is a circumpolar issue.

My fourth item is research, which you have already heard about from Stephen Mooney. I will not add anything more, other than to say that I hope his presentation has convinced you that Canada's north is ready to join the rest of the circumpolar world in groundbreaking research to find solutions to the unique challenges of the north. We have a lot to offer, and the three northern colleges are the places to build that expertise.

Canada can also look to other countries to find examples of how northern communities have created sustainable businesses and enterprise opportunities to keep northerners in their communities while maintaining healthy lifestyles and contributing to meaningful employment. Very often these communities draw support for these activities from local colleges and universities, which can train locals in addition to bringing in outside experts who have fresh ideas and innovations. Through our extensive networks with other post-secondary institutions across the global north, Yukon College can help find this expertise and share it in the north.

Access to high-quality higher learning and the movement of skilled labour and highly qualified people, the implementation of land treaties, and the sustainability of northern communities are circumpolar issues that should be of interest to the Arctic Council.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will stop now, and I look forward to hearing your questions and comments.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you, Dr. Barnes.

We're going to start with Mr. Dewar.

Sir, you have seven minutes.

9:55 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you.

Thank you very much for joining us today.

I think it goes without saying that the witness testimony we're hearing from the north is exceptionally important for us. My colleague, Mr. Bevington, constantly reminds our caucus that if you're going to talk about the north, you need to talk to people from the north. So your witness testimony is very important.

I also wanted to note that the “solutions in the north for the north” idea means that you have to be present. We heard from your colleague about the importance of investing in education. You underlined the University of the Arctic. It goes without saying that you would probably like to see more investment there.

9:55 a.m.

President, Yukon College

Dr. Karen Barnes

I was one of the people who actually advocated that we step back a little bit from the University of the Arctic. The reason was that I felt it was very important that we invest in infrastructure in Canada. Those networks and the foundation we built here, through the network of the University of the Arctic, were actually fundamental for us. But right now we're trying to focus on building university programs and degrees right here in the north that we can deliver. We're always focused on cyber delivery, virtual delivery, because that will be the only way we can do that in the north. But we're trying to do that from here with our own experts.

10 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

It's your own physical presence, is what you're saying, that can be built upon.

10 a.m.

President, Yukon College

Dr. Karen Barnes

We have to have a hub, obviously, probably in the capital. But we already have access to all of our communities through virtual learning.

10 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

One of the things you brought up was the north2north program.

One of the things the NDP wants to see is that we take this opportunity to engage in a multilateral approach when we take over the chair of the council. We want to work with all of our partners to go beyond just our two years, working in the areas that have been mentioned, whether it's climate change, fisheries, or resource development.

The north2north program you were underlining is an important opportunity to have people of the north able to work with and have experience with other people in other northern countries. Simply put, would you recommend that we reinvest in that?

10 a.m.

President, Yukon College

Dr. Karen Barnes

Absolutely. We had students this year actually apply to go over, and we had no way to fund them, so they were unable to go to Finland. They had hoped to go to Finland. I know that recently, in the last round of the north2north funding, Nunavut Arctic College sent 12 nurses over to northern Scandinavian countries to work with the Sami people.

I think there's so much to be shared across the north by students. It also builds that understanding and the global relationships that will, going forward, I think, do nothing but good, not just for the north but for all of Canada. So it's really important, in every area, not just in science but in the humanities and social sciences, that we give students the opportunity to move to other institutions and that the northern Canadian students receive students here. We've had a number of students from Scandinavia and Russia come here. They just love being part of the student life here. Of course, the language is a wonderful thing. They also have the opportunity to visit many of our communities during their periods here.

10 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

The other issue I think is important for all of us, and I thought you were going to miss out on underlining it, but you captured it near the end of your presentation; that is, of course, the engagement with first peoples and Inuit. You mentioned the 11 land claim settlements that are in place.

We're very interested in how the voices of the first peoples and Inuit are actually heard. We had someone who is a Danish Canadian talk about how, in their representation, they actually have, right next to the official representatives, someone who is representing the first peoples' opinions and ideas. Our government says that we fund them and that they're at the table for input.

Can you give us any idea, from your perspective, of how we can ensure that they will be fully represented structurally, and not just by way of coming to meetings, so to speak? Do you have any ideas as to how we can ensure that the concerns, particularly of Inuit, are going to be reflected at the table at the Arctic Council?

10 a.m.

President, Yukon College

Dr. Karen Barnes

I think one way, and this is the long-term vision, is if we educate the young northern first people, children from all across the north, Inuit as well as Athabaskan, so that we will have people in place in our government who will be the parliamentarians. Not only will they be the political voice, but they will be the indigenous voice. That's the long-term vision.

The short-term vision is that we need to locate the discussions that take place around the Arctic Council in northern Canada. It's often the case that we are working with Ottawa, as we are today. If these discussions were taking place in Whitehorse or Yellowknife or Iqaluit, you would have those people at the table much more substantively, I think, and in greater numbers. If you went into the communities, I think the understanding of where they come from would be much greater by all at the table.