Evidence of meeting #109 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was africa.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ben Marc Diendéré  Permanent Observer to the African Union and United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Christopher Thornley  High Commissioner for Canada in the Republic of Kenya, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Michael Callan  Ambassador of Canada to Algeria, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

I'd like to call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 109 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development.

Before we begin, I'd like to ask all members and other in-person participants to consult the cards on the table for guidelines to prevent audio feedback incidents. Please take note of the following preventive measures to protect the health and safety of all participants, including, in particular, the interpreters. Only use an approved black earpiece. Keep your earpiece away from all microphones at all times. When you are not using your earpiece, place it face down on the sticker that has placed on the table for this purpose. Please consult the cards on the table for guidelines. The room layout has been adjusted to increase the distance between the microphones and reduce chances of feedback from an ambient earpiece.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format.

I'd like to make a few comments for the benefit of the members as well as witnesses. Before speaking, please do wait until I recognize you by name. You may speak in the official language of your choice. Interpretation services are available.

In accordance with our routine motion concerning connection tests for witnesses, I'm informed that all witnesses have completed the required connection tests in advance of our meeting.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, January 29, 2024, the committee will now resume its study of Canada's approach to Africa.

I'd now like to welcome our witnesses. We're very fortunate to have here with us three ambassadors. We have Mr. Michael Callen, who is our ambassador in Algeria. We have Mr. Ben Marc Diendéré, the permanent observer to the African Union and the United Nations Economic Commission for Africa. As well we have Mr. Christopher Thornley, our high commissioner in the Republic of Kenya.

I should add, just for the benefit of the members, that we hoped that we could also hear from Ambassador Lorraine Anderson, from Cameroon, but unfortunately she thought she had the right headphones, but it came to light that they were not appropriate, so she will not be joining us today.

For the ambassadors, I understand that Ambassador Diendéré will be speaking on behalf of all three ambassadors. Subsequent to that, when there are questions put to you by members and you're running out of time, I will hold this card up, meaning you should tie things up within 10 or 15 seconds.

Ambassador Diendéré, welcome. The floor is yours, and you have five minutes for your opening remarks.

3:55 p.m.

Ben Marc Diendéré Permanent Observer to the African Union and United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Members of the committee, I am honoured to appear before you today, even at this late hour for us. It is 11:00 p.m. for me and 9:00 p.m. for my colleague Michael Callan. We are nonetheless very happy to be here to meet with the members of the committee.

My name is Ben Marc Diendéré. I am Canada’s Permanent Observer to the African Union, and I am the first person to hold this position full-time. With me this evening are my colleagues Michael Callan, Ambassador of Canada to Algeria, and Christopher Thornley, High Commissioner for Canada in the Republic of Kenya and Permanent Representative to the United Nations Human Settlements Programme and to the United Nations Environment Programme.

Mr. Chair, we are testifying today just two days after World Africa Day. It is truly an honour to be here. I am sure that we have the support of the 25 other Canadian heads of mission on the African continent.

Mr. Chair, members of the committee, my remarks today will briefly outline the opportunity and challenges vis-à-vis advancing Canada's engagement with African countries and institutions. My colleagues and I look forward to answering your questions.

On the opportunity, Africa is forecast to be the world's second-fastest growing region in 2024, after Asia. It has one of the fastest-growing middle classes, providing a source of dynamics and vast market potential. The wealth gap remains deep, with 60% of the world's extreme poor living in sub-Saharan Africa.

The development gap remains deep on this continent. The continent’s demographic youth bulge—70% of sub-Saharan Africa is under the age of 30—represents an opportunity, but also poses challenges. For example, the lack of adequate, market-relevant skills and employment opportunities is an impediment to their meaningful contribution to economic development.

The impact of climate change, peace, and security challenges heighten vulnerabilities, particularly among women and youth, threatening the well-being of African young people.

African countries and institutions are proactively exploring various options to address their national, regional, and continental challenges. They seek mutually beneficial partnerships that will meet their needs and empower them to address their own challenges.

They are diversifying and forging stronger relationships with global economic powers, like China and India, and partners like Turkey and the Gulf states. They are doing so bilaterally and through multilateral fora, such as BRICS and G20.

Within the rapidly changing global environment, and in response to calls by our African partners, Global Affairs Canada is redefining its engagement with this continent to better capitalize on mutual interests with African countries and institutions, and support win-win partnerships.

My appointment as Canada's first dedicated permanent observer to the African Union signals an intention to broaden and deepen Canada's engagement on the continent, and our interest in enhancing partnerships with the African Union and its organizations.

As the African Union is the pre-eminent organization on the continent, our engagement with it promotes our mutual interests in trade, investment, democracy, human rights and human development. Together, we are exploring new and better ways of working, including with the private sector, to address development challenges and other continental priorities like peace and security.

Canada's overall engagement with Africa is guided by the African Union's strategic vision for the continent as captured in Agenda 2063, the cornerstone of the continent's future. Agenda 2063 also introduces its continental free trade area pilot project. Our ongoing series of high-level dialogues with the African Union have proven to be a platform where our shared priorities can be discussed and common approaches can be established.

The most recent of these dialogues took place in Addis Ababa earlier this month. Canada's Minister of International Development co-chaired with African Union Commission leadership discussions on how to evolve our international assistance to better respond to the needs and priorities identified by African countries and institutions.

In April, Canada welcomed Bankole Adeoye, the commissioner for political affairs, peace and security in Ottawa. He met with Minister of Foreign Affairs Mélanie Joly, Global Affairs officials, and appeared before the Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade.

While our partnership with the African Union is important for the reasons I have described, we must always recognize that Africa is a vast continent made up of 54 different countries with diverse economies, cultures, and languages. African countries and institutions have been very clear about their interests and priorities.

At the continental level, the African Union Agenda 2063 outlines a long-term vision, focusing on sustainable and inclusive economic growth and good governance.

At the national level, as my colleagues can attest, national plans are in place. In-between these units of governance are the regional economic communities who have their own strategic plans.

African countries and institutions have been clear about their interests and priorities.

What I hear from country representatives at the African Union, and what our heads of missions hear through our vital bilateral relationships—

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

I would ask that you wrap it up soon, because we're considerably over the time limit.

4 p.m.

Permanent Observer to the African Union and United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Ben Marc Diendéré

—is that African countries and institutions want more Canadian engagement, more investment, more dialogue and more partnerships based on mutual interests.

Finally, we have been following the proceedings of the Senate and House committees as they study these issues. Your deliberations are very timely and noticed. We look forward to the outcomes, and working with you to advance Canadian interests, including mutually beneficial economic prosperity.

Thank you.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Thank you very much, Mr. Diendéré.

We will start off with MP Aboultaif.

You have six minutes, sir.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Ziad Aboultaif Conservative Edmonton Manning, AB

Thank you, Chair.

Thanks to the witnesses for appearing today.

Monsieur Diendéré, you took on your role in June 2023.

How would you describe the relationship between Canada and the African Union?

4 p.m.

Permanent Observer to the African Union and United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Ben Marc Diendéré

Thank you very much.

My last 12 months have been dedicated to consolidating the Canadian presence on both levels, the African Union and the AUC. Our relations are very good with these two institutions right now. There is room for improvement, but we are on track to do something very good with the African Union right now.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Ziad Aboultaif Conservative Edmonton Manning, AB

When you were appointed, you must have received a mandate.

4 p.m.

Permanent Observer to the African Union and United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

4 p.m.

Conservative

Ziad Aboultaif Conservative Edmonton Manning, AB

Would you be able to share that with the committee, please?

4 p.m.

Permanent Observer to the African Union and United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Ben Marc Diendéré

The mandate was to strengthen the relationship with the African Union.

We need to deepen this relationship and engage with all the organizations in the AU. Part of the mandate will be to conduct the three dialogues we're working on right now and make sure that we connect with Agenda 2063 of the African Union and also to mobilize people here in Canada around the country around the strategic view of African development.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Ziad Aboultaif Conservative Edmonton Manning, AB

Which areas, in your opinion, do we need to focus on? Africa is a big continent with 54 countries and it's very hard for us to be all over the place. Which areas do we need to focus on, or in which areas do we need to improve our relationship to be as effective as we wish to be?

4:05 p.m.

Permanent Observer to the African Union and United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Ben Marc Diendéré

The experience here is very different when you're sitting in Canada and watching what is happening in Africa.

Right now they have their agenda. Agenda 2063 is one of their flagships for strategic planning for the continent. They have maybe 1,000-plus projects around agriculture, energy and education. I must also add the infrastructure project.

The focus for Canada has to be on the three dialogues we're working on right now. Education is one of them. Agriculture will be, for sure, one of the subjects we're following in these three dialogues. I will say that climate change is another focus, which means that we have to be very aware of all of these green projects and those projects that can leverage women and youth on the continent.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Ziad Aboultaif Conservative Edmonton Manning, AB

Do we have any leads on any of these projects that you can share with us?

4:05 p.m.

Permanent Observer to the African Union and United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Ben Marc Diendéré

It's too early for me to share the specific program, because we're leaning right now on Pan-Af and development programs. Some of them have been running for two or five years.

I must say that, on the women's side, we have a project to strengthen entrepreneurship for women. We're doing it with the pan-African countries, with three or four countries at the same time. We have projects in the energy sector also.

Right now I'm in Nairobi, because there is an annual meeting of the African Development Bank, and 20-plus Canadian enterprises are here in the energy sector and also the agriculture sector

I must say that agriculture, education and all of these projects on the green economy are very important for us. Some of our projects and partners here are doing very well. We need to focus—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Ziad Aboultaif Conservative Edmonton Manning, AB

Do you feel that we need to focus our attention on certain countries? If so, what countries do you think we are the closest with at the moment, from your involvement and your experience in the region?

4:05 p.m.

Permanent Observer to the African Union and United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Ben Marc Diendéré

I will ask my colleague to help me on this, but my first answer is that it's too early in the multilateral environment to choose one or two countries. We have a sense that some countries are doing very well right now, and they can be a pilot for us.

I'll let my colleague—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Ziad Aboultaif Conservative Edmonton Manning, AB

I'll go to Mr. Thornley—I met with him in 2018 in Nigeria—to have him weigh in on this question, please.

4:05 p.m.

Christopher Thornley High Commissioner for Canada in the Republic of Kenya, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Thank you very much, MP Aboultaif. I remember our meeting very well. It's good to see you again.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

You have 30 seconds, please.

4:05 p.m.

High Commissioner for Canada in the Republic of Kenya, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Christopher Thornley

In terms of focusing on countries, we know the ones that are doing well. I live in one of them, Kenya, right now. I could name a couple of others. There are models where the economy is more advanced, and I think that's where we can establish a foothold.

Thank you.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Before we go to the next member, Madam McPherson, do you have your hand up? Is that a point of order?

4:10 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I do. It's a point of information, actually.

Are we not hearing from the other two witnesses? Perhaps I missed that, but is there only one speech?

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

As I noted at the outset, our ambassador to Cameroon was unable to join us. She thought she had the right headset, but it subsequently came to light that it does not meet the specifications.

4:10 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Will Mr. Thornley and Mr. Callan not be providing comments?