Evidence of meeting #54 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was abortion.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Beth Woroniuk  Vice-President, Policy, Equality Fund
Lesia Vasylenko  Member of Parliament, Parliament of Ukraine (Verkhovna Rada)
Nkechi Asogwa  As an Individual
Mohini Datta-Ray  Executive Director, Planned Parenthood Toronto
Julia Anderson  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Partnership for Women and Children's Health
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Ariane Gagné-Frégeau

12:50 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Partnership for Women and Children's Health

Julia Anderson

Thank you.

As someone said, success leaves clues, and I think we should look closely at the success of the Muskoka initiative for clues as to how we should invest and engage in international development.

Through the Muskoka initiative, the Canadian government committed $3.5 billion over five years. It was a flagship initiative around our official development assistance. It moved the needle significantly by engaging other donor countries to support the initiative, with a clear and accountable framework as to what counted as an investment in Muskoka and what did not count. As well, there was a diplomatic push and effort to ensure that these two elements of the then millennium development goals that had been largely forgotten in maternal health and newborn health would be engaged in. It was somewhat comprehensive in including nutrition, especially in including researchers in the private sector—

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I'm sorry I have to jump in, because the chair hasn't told me how much time I have left. I'm flying blind a bit here. I'm going to give the rest of my time to Mr. Epp.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Mr. Genuis, you are not flying blind—

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I'm going to give the rest of my time to Mr. Epp.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

You're getting an additional 20 seconds.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Yes, but I don't know the total amount of time.

I'm giving the rest—

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

It was three minutes and 20 seconds.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Okay, I'm giving the rest of my time to Mr. Epp.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

A notice of motion was made on January 31, and I would like to move the following motion:

That, as part of its ongoing study on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the committee study and report to the House on how Canada can support its allies who are affected by resource access challenges stemming from the invasion and steps that the Government of Canada should take to respond to these challenges.

12:55 p.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Mr. Chair, I raise a point of order.

There is no interpretation. I respectfully ask Mr. Epp to move closer to his mic.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

I'm sorry about that.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Would you like to reread your motion?

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Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Yes:

That, as part of its ongoing study on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Committee study and report to the House on how Canada can support its allies who were affected by resource access challenges stemming from the invasion and steps that the Government of Canada should take to respond to these challenges.

Mr. Chair, if I may, I'll add a few comments to that.

When people are hungry and when people are cold, it leads to one thing, as history has shown us: Whenever the average caloric intake of a population drops below 1,800, it ends in civil unrest.

Going into the war, Ukraine's and Russia's food production systems accounted for 30% of the exports of the world's wheat, 17% of the corn, 30% of the barley and 75% of its sunflower oil.

I can spend a few minutes talking about the Black Sea grain initiative as well. Russia is no longer considering that a humanitarian mission. They may look to end the deal after its present extension. Even now, Ukraine and Russia are arguing about the length of the extension and whether it's 120 days or 60 days. As of March 2, the Black Sea grain initiative had facilitated the export of 22.8 million tonnes of grain into the global market, despite the ongoing supply chain interruptions, but only 64% of that wheat was exported to developing countries.

Of course, we're all aware of the interruptions in the natural gas that flows to western Europe. In the Versailles declaration of March 2022, the leaders of 27 member states agreed to phase out the use of and dependence on Russian fossil fuels as soon as possible. How many steps are needed to do this?

We have to look at further diversifying our energy sources and our routing. We need to accelerate the deployment of renewables, further employing energy efficiency, and improving interconnections of gas and our electrical energy networks.

We haven't seen yet the full effects of the trade disruptions on the fertilizer market. Russia and Belarus were obviously major suppliers of potash and phosphorus. I mentioned earlier the caloric consumption of a population. When it drops below 1,800 per capita, it leads to civil unrest. This is going to be a delayed response to what's happening with fertilizer. Canada is a major exporter of potash, but on my own farm in Leamington we have used more Belarusian and Russian potash on our farm over history. That whole trade route has been disrupted, and that's in a developed country, Mr. Chair.

The costs associated with the fertilizer disruptions are affecting farmers around the world in developing countries all over the place. That's going to lead to only one place: to lower domestic food production in developing economies.

I'll go back to the main point that I made earlier, which is that a caloric drop below a certain level, which we saw back in 2007-08 with the Arab uprising in response to bread prices—

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Rachel Bendayan Liberal Outremont, QC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Ms. Bendayan, please go ahead.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Rachel Bendayan Liberal Outremont, QC

I would just like to understand what is going on. Has the motion been officially moved and are we now into debate?

It certainly seems that Mr. Genuis has complained about not having enough time to question witnesses, and now the time afforded him to question witnesses on women's reproductive and health rights is being used to move an entirely different motion on an entirely different subject while we have several witnesses, including here in the room and onscreen, waiting to be asked questions on women's reproductive and health rights.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

As I understand it—and thank you for that, Ms. Bendayan—this was first tabled on January 31.

Are you moving—

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Yes, it was January 31. I moved the motion. I'm just providing some background for priority for it.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Did anyone want to speak to this motion?

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Rachel Bendayan Liberal Outremont, QC

Mr. Chair, I find it unfortunate that a meeting that was already shortened due to technical difficulties is further shortened by the Conservatives moving this additional motion. I think it would be respectful—although, again, sad—to respectfully request the witnesses to leave while we engage in this further discussion.

I don't know if other members feel differently, but I certainly wouldn't want to retain these witnesses if they aren't needed for this discussion.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Well, there are several options that we have. If there's no debate about this, we can put it to a vote and then perhaps come back and provide some additional time just to afford all of our witnesses the opportunity to respond to questions.

Does anyone have anything to say about the motion?

Mr. Oliphant...?

1 p.m.

Liberal

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

I'm not sure if Mr. Epp has finished his time.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Mr. Epp, I apologize.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

I also recognize that we're at one o'clock. Some of us have QP responsibilities, etc.

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Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

I'll wrap this up fairly quickly.

I'm raising these points to bring some priority to the discussions of scheduling going forward.

Basically, the fact is that Canada has a relationship with two organizations for block funding when it comes to our international development. The Canadian Foodgrains Bank is one that I have a particular affinity for, but there's the World Food Programme as well. The World Food Programme sources much of their supply and their development work from Ukraine. That work is being affected, as well as the costs and the logistics. I can go into further stats at some other point.

Yemen is the country that I would use for a—