Evidence of meeting #62 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was results.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Liberal
Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC
I would say that it's not only just as soon as possible, but what we want to do is a phased plan. It's not going to wait until a longer term. We want to look at short-term, medium- and long-term objectives.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Sure, but the bottom line is the structure you have. With great fanfare, it talks about improving the lives of women and girls, but it's not actually measuring outcomes in terms of improvements to the lives of women and girls. I think it's not too much to ask, what is the timeline for when we'll start measuring outcomes? It will take a while to realize those outcomes in various ways, of course, but that's what we're suggesting, I think.
I wanted to ask a follow-up question about the issue of the illegal documents as well.
I'd like to know when you first found out about that. You said that you weren't checking your emails at the time. At what point in time did you find out that your chief of staff had sent a template, that illegal documents were issued and so forth...? When did you first become aware of these facts?
Liberal
Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON
Once again, I believe that this line of questioning is not on the main estimates.
Conservative
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
—I think it relates to his competence and work as minister, and it just.... This is the last question on this: When did you become aware of it, Minister?
Liberal
Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC
Mr. Chair, I need to be able to explain this in the full context if you'd allow me the time.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
When did you first become aware of it, Minister?
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I'll tell you what. You answer the question and then you can have the rest of the time to talk about whatever you want.
Liberal
Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC
I actually would prefer to provide the full context so that there's a better—
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Just first—because I'm almost out of time—when did you first become aware of this?
Liberal
Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC
You asked another question. I just want to make sure that I can answer it properly. I want to make sure that you're not going to keep interrupting me, so that I can give the full context rather than giving you the opportunity so you can get a sound bite out of it.
Liberal
Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC
Thank you.
When I was made aware of an issue with the facilitation letters...back when the emergency was taking place, it was identified that the facilitation letters were required. Once that was done, I knew there was a process taking place on facilitation letters. However, when an issue with facilitation letters with Senator McPhedran...I only realized this, I think it was when the...I think it was in the news mostly—
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
You only found out about it through media reports.
Conservative
Conservative
