Evidence of meeting #25 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was regime.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Drukier  Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Stuart Savage  Ambassador, Permanent Representative of Canada to the Organization of American States, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Good afternoon. I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 25 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, February 12, 2026, the committee is meeting on the situation in Venezuela.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely using the Zoom application.

I would like to ask all in-person participants to consult the guidelines written on the cards on the table. These measures are in place to prevent audio and feedback incidents and to protect the health and safety of all the participants, including the interpreters.

I'd like to make a few comments for the benefit of the witnesses and members.

Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking. For those participating by video conference, click on the microphone icon to activate your mic and please mute yourself when you are not speaking. For those on Zoom, at the bottom of your screen you can select the appropriate channel for interpretation. For those in the room, you can use the earpiece and select the desired channel.

This is a reminder that all comments should be addressed through the chair. For members in the room, if you wish to speak, please raise your hand. For members on Zoom, please use the “raise hand” function. The clerk and I will manage the speaking order as best we can.

I would now like to welcome our witnesses. From the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, we have the Honourable Stuart Savage, ambassador, permanent representative of Canada to the Organization of American States, by video conference, and Wendy Drukier, director general of South America and hemispheric affairs.

Up to five minutes will be given for opening remarks, after which we will proceed to rounds of questions.

I now invite Ms. Drukier to make an opening statement.

Wendy Drukier Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Thank you very much, Chair and members of the committee.

Nicolás Maduro presided over Venezuela from 2013 until January of this year. During this time, corruption became institutionalized in the government and military at all levels. The regime co-opted the judiciary, the economy was mismanaged to a state of ruin, and authorities engaged in systematic political repression. The regime became a beneficiary of, if not an active participant in, illegal mining, money laundering, drug trafficking and other illicit revenue streams, working with non-state and criminal armed groups.

In response to this corruption, attacks on democratic institutions and systematic human rights violations, Canada has sanctioned 139 individuals since 2017. The EU and the U.K. have also imposed sanctions on the regime, and the U.S. has imposed both sectoral and individual sanctions.

Under the leadership of María Corina Machado, the opposition mounted a coordinated campaign for the 2024 presidential elections, which they handily won, as shown through official voting tallies collected by poll watchers. Maduro nonetheless declared himself the victor and unleashed an unprecedented level of political arrests and violence to counter popular protests. Canada, the U.S., the U.K., and the EU, along with at least eight Latin American countries, refused to recognize Maduro's claim of victory.

Then on January 3, 2026, U.S. forces executed Operation Absolute Resolve, deploying military aircraft and special operations troops in Venezuela to capture Nicolás Maduro in what they have framed as a law enforcement action. The arrest of Maduro was an unprecedented moment, and its long-term repercussions are still very much uncertain.

The context has now changed. Delcy Rodríguez is the de facto acting president and is being recognized as Venezuela's leader by the U.S. under what it sees as a three-step plan, consisting of an initial phase of stabilization and a secondary stage of recovery and institution rebuilding in order to prepare for what it sees as the third phase: a transition to democracy.

The Venezuelan economy remains fragile following years of hyperinflation and a massive contraction of GDP. Roughly 60% of households lack sufficient income to purchase basic food, and acute malnutrition remains high among children. Venezuela ranks among the least peaceful countries globally, characterized by high levels of organized crime and limited law enforcement effectiveness. As a result, approximately eight million Venezuelans have left the country since 2014, making it one of the largest displacement crises in recent history.

The regime in Venezuela that stole the 2024 elections and imprisoned hundreds of political opponents remains in power. Nonetheless, there is now cautious optimism in the country. Over 600 political prisoners have been released, although hundreds more remain incarcerated. An amnesty law has been passed, but it has limited scope, and loopholes may allow the regime to rearrest people. There have also been some nascent moves towards attracting international investment to rehabilitate crumbling infrastructure and generate oil revenue for the country, although the lack of rule of law and the unpredictability remain significant disincentives.

Canada has long been committed to supporting a Venezuelan-led democratic transition to end political oppression, serious human rights violations and the humanitarian crisis. In collaboration with other countries in the region, Canada has referred the situation in Venezuela to the International Criminal Court for alleged crimes against humanity committed by the regime since 2014.

Canada has played a key role in the international response to the Venezuelan migration crisis. The government has organized or co-organized two major donor conferences to support Venezuelan refugees and migrants. It has also provided capacity-building and technical assistance to countries in the region hosting these refugees, to facilitate their integration. Since 2019, Canada has provided over $260 million in humanitarian and development aid to address the Venezuelan crisis and its repercussions in the region.

In Venezuela, Canada's primary interest remains the establishment and maintenance of long-term stability. We believe this must come in the form of a peaceful democratic transition led by Venezuelans. Further destabilization risks regional disorder, including heightened tensions, violence and criminality, all of which can reach Canadian shores. A democratic, stable Venezuela could become a valuable partner for Canada, strengthening co-operation on hemispheric security, democracy support and multilateral engagement.

Finally, in the medium to long term, Venezuela could offer significant opportunities for Canadian companies, particularly in energy, infrastructure, mining, agri-food, energy transition and environmental impact mitigation and related services. Venezuela is a large country with a relatively well-educated population and sits on a cache of natural resources that could bring about substantial prosperity if developed in a transparent, democratic and responsible manner. Such a Venezuela could be a middle-power strategic partner for Canada. We hope that Venezuela moves in that direction, and we are ready to help enable that change.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Thank you very much for your remarks.

I will now open the floor to questions from members of the committee, beginning with Mr. Chong.

You have six minutes.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you for appearing to talk about the situation. I have a number of questions.

You have outlined that the Trump administration has a three-part plan that involves stabilization, institution building and, thirdly, transition to democracy. Does the Government of Canada support that plan, or does it have a different view of how things should unfold in Venezuela?

3:40 p.m.

Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Wendy Drukier

It's a very important question.

We know that the U.S. is playing an important role in Venezuela right now with its work with the de facto regime. Canada believes, as I mentioned in my statement, that we need to transition to a democracy led by Venezuelans. How that is put into place will be developed as the situation unfolds. We're two months into this current situation, and the first priority is to ensure that the country does not descend into chaos.

We believe that the priority should be a democratic transition, and we stand ready to support that.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

You mentioned that the current government is being led by Madam Rodríguez. You also mentioned the overwhelming results of the last democratic election for Mr. González and his copartner Madam Machado. Does the Government of Canada support them playing a role in the Venezuelan-led democratic transition? If so, what would that role look like?

3:40 p.m.

Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Wendy Drukier

The Government of Canada believes how that democratic transition takes place should be determined by Venezuelans, and that includes all political parties, opposition and civil society. That would include, of course, Madam Machado, Mr. González and the other major players, and they've pronounced on the desire for new elections in Venezuela.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

In other words, the Government of Canada would support both these individuals having a role to play in a transition to Venezuelan democracy. Is that correct?

3:40 p.m.

Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Wendy Drukier

I can absolutely say the answer is yes.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

Good. I am glad to hear that. Thank you. That's our position as well.

The Government of Canada has not had diplomatic relations with the previous Maduro regime, and that continues with the government led by Madam Rodríguez. What are the conditions for establishing diplomatic ties with the government in Venezuela?

3:40 p.m.

Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Wendy Drukier

Canada has not recognized the current regime in Venezuela. We didn't recognized it when it was led by President Maduro and we don't recognize it now. A number of senior members of the regime are sanctioned by Canada. The de facto power that this regime has is the result of fraudulent elections or elections being stolen in 2024.

Canada would be looking for a recognized, democratic, transparent process in Venezuela to be able to officially recognize the government.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

What is the democratic process? Do elections have to take place first, with the appointment of a new head of government and head of state, before Canada will re-establish diplomatic recognition of the Government of Venezuela, or does it happen earlier than that?

3:40 p.m.

Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Wendy Drukier

I wouldn't want to speculate on the steps involved, which Venezuelans will determine, in the transition to democracy. At the moment, we don't see conditions for official recognition of the government. We would have to see the process that unfolds to determine when the right moment would be.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

The other question I have is about Operation Absolute Resolve. It was characterized by Secretary of State Rubio as a law enforcement action, and if that is the case—and this is my assessment—then it would fall within international law.

Is it the view of the Government of Canada that Operation Absolute Resolve was a law enforcement action and therefore fell within international law?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Wendy Drukier

The Government of Canada understands the U.S. legal analysis done by U.S. authorities on the legality of that action. They do characterize it as a law enforcement activity. The Government of Canada hasn't done that sort of assessment of the application of U.S. law to those actions.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

Therefore, you don't have an opinion about whether or not that operation was within international or U.S. law.

3:45 p.m.

Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Wendy Drukier

I certainly don't have an opinion. I don't think it's my place to have an opinion on it.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

Thank you. I appreciate you answering that question.

I don't have any further questions.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

We go next to MP Rob Oliphant.

You have six minutes.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

Thank you to both of the officials for being with us today.

I'll be asking three questions. One is with respect to displaced persons, who make up about a quarter of the population. The second is with respect to the role of the OAS and Canada's position within the OAS. The third one will be on any possible normalization—or not—of diplomatic relations.

With respect to displaced persons, estimates are that about a quarter of the population, or maybe eight million or nine million people—it's hard to get the number—have left Venezuela. We know they've gone to a variety of countries in the neighbourhood, as well as to some island states nearby. Is there any sign of them returning to Venezuela with the so-called operation, or is there a sense that this will be a longer, protracted displacement of people?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Wendy Drukier

This is an important question, because the volume of displacement is so large and the vast majority have remained in the region.

The Government of Canada, through its missions in the region and from Global Affairs headquarters here, has been consulting with those who work on the issues the most, including the International Organization for Migration and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Our missions on the ground have been consulting with partners. We haven't seen a significant return of Venezuelans, nor a significant change in the number of them leaving the country, since January 3.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

They were leaving at a rate of about 2,000 a day, even as recently as a month ago. That continues.

3:45 p.m.

Director General, South America and Hemispheric Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Wendy Drukier

That's correct.

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

When he last spoke, my colleague had not switched on his microphone. Could he repeat his question for the benefit of those following our proceedings?

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

In French?