Evidence of meeting #52 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreements.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Liliane Saint Pierre  Assistant Deputy Minister, Acquisitions, Department of Public Works and Government Services
George Butts  Director General, Services and Specialized Acquisitions Management Sector, Acquisitions, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Marshall Moffat  Director General, Small and Medium Enterprises Sector, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Elaine Feldman  Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal
Randy Heggart  Director of Procurement Review, Canadian International Trade Tribunal
Reagan Walker  General Counsel, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

So you only look at the legislation and ascertain whether it has been violated in the bidding procedure?

5:25 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

That's right.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

What does the legislation say on the issue of industrial benefits for the Canadian economy? Does it say anything?

5:25 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

It incorporates, as I said earlier, by reference the trade agreements. It doesn't specifically refer to the matters that you're raising.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Okay, so is the legislation--

5:25 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

It talks about national treatment, non-discrimination. That's what the trade agreements talk about.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

So the legislation just references, has big arrows that point at, an international agreement?

5:25 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

The specific international agreements that I mentioned earlier--the NAFTA, the AGP.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Great, thank you.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

Thank you, Mr. Poilievre.

We have just a couple of minutes.

Madam Nash.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Thank you.

I am confused by my predecessor's questions. Mr. Poilievre, I'm not sure if you're calling for us to abrogate trade agreements or not. Your questions were a little confusing.

Let me ask a question about complaints under the CITT. Can you tell me whether you know the incidence of Canadian complaints against other countries based on this trade agreement?

5:25 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

No, I don't.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Who is the guardian of those statistics? Is it the national government? Is it their tribunals that have these? Do we not track when Canadian companies complain that they're being unfairly treated under these agreements by foreign governments?

5:25 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

Again, it's not something the CITT does. We track the complaints that come to us, but I don't know who tracks--

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

So if France made a complaint to Canada, you would track that?

5:25 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

Let me be quite clear, we don't deal in country-to-country disputes. We deal with disputes that are brought by particular companies. So a French company could come before the tribunal, yes.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

So if Michelin in Paris, or wherever, decided it was being unfairly treated regarding tires for government fleet vehicles, they would make a complaint, but we do no tracking through your body for Canadian companies that complain internationally.

5:25 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

That's correct.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Where would one make that? Where is the appropriate source of that information for us to seek that information?

5:30 p.m.

Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

To be honest, I don't know if there's any body in the Government of Canada that tracks that, because, as you said, it's an individual company that brings the complaint, and that company may or may not inform a government body. I truly don't know if they do. There's no requirement on a Canadian company to inform any part of the Canadian government that it's bringing a complaint in France.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Okay, thank you.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

Okay. Thank you very kindly.

To our delegation from the Canadian International Trade Tribunal, thank you very, very kindly for your input and for your assistance here today. Also, in the absence of our regular chair, I'd like to thank our clerk and our research staff, and certainly my colleagues, for their courtesy and consideration to help us through this meeting here today.

Have yourself a great day, everyone. Enjoy the recess.

The meeting is adjourned.