There are two points that I'd make.
Operating efficiencies are different from internal services, and 70% of the cuts are in operating efficiencies.
Just to give you an impression of the distinction, internal services are HR, finance, legal, all that stuff. Operating efficiencies are a little bit broader. If we decided we could deliver a program with less travel, that's an operating efficiency. It's not internal services. It's not a reduction in terms of how the program is delivered, or the program itself; we're just delivering it more efficiently.
I would say that 70% of the cuts or reductions in operating efficiencies are more than just internal services. There is some confusion around that.
The second part of your question, around the confusion around the Parliamentary Budget Officer's numbers and the numbers from Treasury Board Secretariat, we have a process in place where we have the same numbers he does. It would be useful if we could see his reports in advance so that we could actually work through the disputes. I think we would all agree that Parliament is not well served when we get two sets of numbers out there.
So he's put his numbers out. We've looked at internal services. We see a 6% reduction versus the previous year; he has an 8% increase.
We can't recreate his numbers, but I think we would all agree that we would be in a better situation if we had a chance to agree on those numbers before they were produced.