Evidence of meeting #17 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ppe.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mitch Davies  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry
Mark Schaan  Acting Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Industry
Mathew Wilson  Senior Vice-President, Policy and Government Relations, Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters
Jocelyn Bamford  President and Founder, Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers and Businesses of Canada
Mary Van Buren  President, Canadian Construction Association
Catherine Swift  Special Advisor to the Board, Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers and Businesses of Canada

11:50 a.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Mitch Davies

It is without question a consideration in the programs of ISED. I mentioned the innovative solutions Canada program. When it was first launched many years ago, it was very important, and we were very pleased to see that a minority-run business, in Winnipeg, was the first recipient of the program's support. We did a lot of outreach in that regard to make sure it was understood that these programs are available.

11:50 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I look forward to getting a report back, Mr. Chair. Thank you very much.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Thank you very much.

Mr. Davies, Mr. Schaan and Madame McRae, thank you for your appearance here today. Your testimony, as always, has been extremely informative. I will excuse you now as we prepare for the witnesses coming for our second hour.

Colleagues, I will suspend the meeting right now, but I have just one note of caution. We do have to adjourn the meeting at 1 p.m. sharp, eastern standard time. There is another Zoom meeting that our technicians have to set up for, so we have one hour for the second meeting.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

We will reconvene the meeting. Colleagues, we will as I mentioned earlier have to adjourn this meeting at 1 p.m. sharp. We will go directly into our statements; however, one of our witnesses, Madam Van Buren from the Canadian Construction Association, has distributed her statement in both officials languages to all committee members.

To save a little bit of time, if we wish, committee, we can adopt the following motion that the speaking notes presented by Mary Van Buren be taken as read and appended to the evidence of today’s meeting. That way we can save about five minutes, and rather than hearing her statement can go directly into questions when the statements of the two other witnesses have been completed.

Do I have consent for that motion, colleagues?

12:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

[See appendix—Remarks by Mary Van Buren]

Madam Van Buren, we do not need you to read your opening statement, but of course you will be participating in the questions and answers.

Our next statement, which will be five minutes in length, will be coming from the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters.

Mr. Wilson, you’re up for five minutes.

June 5th, 2020 / 12:05 p.m.

Mathew Wilson Senior Vice-President, Policy and Government Relations, Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Good afternoon. Thank you for inviting me here to participate in today's discussion.

It is my pleasure to be here on behalf of Canada's 90,000 manufacturers and exporters and our association's 2,500 direct members to discuss COVID-19 and Canada's manufacturing sector. Today I want to talk to you about how Canada's manufacturing sector has stepped up in the face of this crisis, how the government support has been critical to this ongoing effort and how we must begin charting a path out of this crisis towards recovery and prosperity for all Canadians.

CME's membership covers all sizes of companies from all regions of the country, and covers all industrial sectors. From the early days of this crisis, we've been working with our members and governments to increase the manufacture and supply of critical PPE and health care technologies needed in the response. We have also been educating and informing manufacturers on the latest developments in the crisis, including how to access government supports and how to protect their employees and supply chains. We have been working to understand the impact on our sector and advocating for policy, regulatory and program supports from all levels of government.

Throughout this crisis, the role and importance of Canada's manufacturing sector has never been clearer or as much discussed. Hundreds, if not thousands, of manufacturers have switched their production to support the making of critical PPE such as masks, ventilators, face shields and gowns. Many in our sector are aggressively working on developing better tests and a vaccine for COVID-19.

Despite the current challenging climate, unlike other sectors, most segments of manufacturing have been able to continue to operate, albeit at much lower production levels. Through the first six weeks of the crisis, through to the end of April, output had dropped by nearly 10% and actual hours worked declined by nearly 30%. Worse, roughly 300,000 Canadians of the 1.7 million directly employed in the sector had lost their jobs. These job losses were heavily concentrated in sectors where consumer demand plummeted, namely automotive, aerospace and energy-related areas. However, were it not for the actions of the federal government, those numbers would have been much worse.

In a recent survey of CME members, 85% of our respondents supported government actions. The most important action taken was the wage subsidy program, with nearly 55% of respondents using the CEWS. This is far and away the most used program, with tax deferral programs coming in second with roughly 30% use. The heavy use of this program can be linked back to the reality that manufacturing can continue to operate, but it is operating with significantly reduced volumes and sales. Sustaining its workforce would have been impossible without the wage subsidy, given the high overhead costs of maintaining manufacturing operations. Today, we're hearing from our members who are rehiring thousands of Canadians as they look to restart and ramp up their production.

While there are a few outstanding issues with the CEWS program, along with the myriad of other programs that have been introduced to support Canadians and the economy, by our count the government actions have been a massive success. At the same time, we believe it is time to plan the next phase of action. We must start scaling back some of these programs and reopening the economy and rebalancing the country's finances.

As the country begins to make the shift, there will be a natural inclination of governments of all stripes to focus on raising taxes to increase revenues to rebalance the finances. This would be a mistake as it would do further harm to the economy, undermine the already fragile business environment and weaken long-term economic activity. Instead, CME is calling on governments to implement a manufacturing-led growth strategy for the country that would expand economic activity, grow government revenues, job creation and exports. Next week, CME will be releasing our prosperity strategy that aims to set this framework for the country.

This three-phase strategy can be summed up the following way. First, governments must reopen the economy and begin to shift support to consumers to get them spending again.

Second, we must focus attention, investment and government procurement with actions that will support long-term economic growth and competitiveness. Specifically this must include trade infrastructure such as roads, railways, pipelines and digital infrastructure, and it must support companies to invest in new technologies to improve their productive capacity. Also, as part of this, we must include and implement some type of “made in Canada” strategy that increases marketing efforts and raises awareness of Canadian-made goods for consumers, businesses and government, as well as our trading partners.

Third, it is time for Canada to get serious about our industrial future and implement a comprehensive manufacturing strategy that can lead Canada's prosperity. Canada's business environment is simply not competitive. Two data points underscore this: first, business investment ranks fifth worst in the OECD and is roughly one-third of OECD averages; and second, Canada's share of global trade in manufactured goods has been cut in half since the early 2000s, a rate of decline that far exceeds other western industrialized nations.

This prosperity agenda must have three priorities. First, focus on driving investment by lowering operating costs, directly supporting technology adoption and fixing skills gaps. A key part of this must be to lower the tax burden and focus on growth rather than company size.

Second, Canada must reduce its complex regulatory system, which often looks like we are actively seeking to stop investment from coming to Canada through actions like the years-long investment approval processes and banning the use of commonly used and needed inputs like zinc, copper and plastics.

Next, we must focus on areas where we have competitive advantages. Creating a natural resources development strategy—

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Mr. Wilson, I'm sorry. I'm afraid I have to cut you off there. We have a very limited time for questions, and we are far over the allotted time for your opening statement.

We will now go to Madam Bamford for five minutes, please.

12:10 p.m.

Jocelyn Bamford President and Founder, Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers and Businesses of Canada

Good afternoon. My name is Jocelyn Bamford. I'm the president and founder of the Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers and Businesses of Canada. I am also vice-president of our family business, Automatic Coating Ltd., in Scarborough, Ontario, where we employ 90 people and own over four patents in the corrosion coating arena.

For the past few months, I've attended many committees and round tables on the pandemic recovery. Here is what I have observed. Many panels are made up overwhelmingly by NGOs, academia, not-for-profit associations and unions. Actual business owners, those people who actually employ people, represent just a tiny voice. This means that the voice of those who are paying for everything, for every government program, is under-represented. The makers' voices are drowned out by the takers'.

Please be aware of this when you're forming your policy. Those of us who had to show up every single day to keep the economy going are relegated to being told how we should open up by those who could stay safely at home during the height of this pandemic. This is wrong. The 92% of businesses in Canada who employ 100 people or fewer need to be heard on how the government should open up the economy.

First of all, we need to get back to work. We cannot sustain our country and our economy if we don't. We are at the highest level of unemployment in 38 years. Those of us who continued to work, as we were deemed essential, learned quickly how to adapt to ensure that our plants could continue to operate safely. We acted quickly to secure and manufacture PPE. We implemented new policies and procedures. We hired extra staff for cleaning. We purchased an abundance of cleaning products. Some business owners even installed tents on their front lawn so they could social-distance during breaks and lunches. We installed plastic barriers. We invented new head and face protection for all of our employees, all this while the federal government was trying to call the very thing that was protecting our people—plastics—toxic.

We are incredulous that in this time of extra cost, the federal government would heap more cost on manufacturers in terms of doubling the carbon tax. It seems as though the federal government is trying to do everything in its power to drive us out of business.

What do we need to do? Canada needs to bring back manufacturing. For the past three years, since its inception, the coalition has been warning all levels of government that there would be catastrophic effects from policies designed to drive both manufacturing and the resource sector out of the country. Those two sectors are completely interwoven together. The lack of PPE and medical supplies in our country demonstrates this. Imagine what would happen during the next crisis if we not only didn't have PPE but we also didn't have resources to operate our hospitals.

What do we need to do in order to return our economy to full operations? We need testing. This includes rapid COVID testing, faster turnaround time in testing and antibody testing. Health Canada needs to rapidly roll out these tests. One of our members who services refrigeration units had to quarantine the entire service staff due to a false COVID scare. Rapid testing could have prevented this nine-day waste of productivity for the entire team. This is what needs funding.

What we do not need is to have the federal government follow the failed Ontario green energy policy. This policy made electricity four times the North American rate for electricity due to subsidies of expensive and inefficient wind and solar, carried disproportionately by class B industrial users in the form of a global adjustment charge. In fact, one of my members just received a bill for $200 of electricity and a charge of $20,000 of global adjustment. It's these types of bills that push companies out of Canada. Carbon tax will be to fuel what global adjustment was to electricity in Ontario. It makes us uncompetitive, especially when you have products coming in from other jurisdictions that don't have these costs.

In addition, small and medium-sized businesses need more support from the Canadian International Trade Tribunal. Canadian companies must compete with foreign-dumped steel and other products. The CITT, the organization that's to guard against this, seems many times to ignore this. When they do call out unfair trade practices, the federal government overrules the CITT, as in the LNG Canada project. SMEs are not only shut out of North American large projects due to “buy America” policies, but we're also shut out of Canadian large infrastructure projects. We saw that again this week with Atlas Tube being left on the sidelines for a $200-million Alberta solar project, which instead went to a Chinese company. Canadian companies should not have to compete with subsidized foreign companies in our own infrastructure projects.

The coalition has signed on with the Canadians for Responsible Recovery, www.responsiblerecovery.ca—

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Madam Bamford, unfortunately, we're over time, and we do have a very limited amount of time for questions so I'm going to have to stop you there and go directly into our line of questioning.

Colleagues, we will start with five-minute rounds to try and get as many questions in as possible.

We will start with Mrs. Block, for five minutes, please.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek, SK

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I would like to thank our witnesses for joining us today.

On March 20, the federal government announced a plan to help Canadian companies ramp up production of medical supplies needed to provide care during the COVID-19 crisis. At the time, we were told it was a strategy that would swiftly create pathways to deploy resources to Canadian businesses. Interested companies were directed to two portals, one on the ISED website and one on the PSPC website.

Ms. Bamford, given your role in representing the coalition, could you reflect on how the Canadian government approached the ramp-up of domestic production of PPE, contrast that with the U.S., and then look at the impact on our ability to manufacture these much-needed supplies?

12:15 p.m.

President and Founder, Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers and Businesses of Canada

Jocelyn Bamford

To answer that, first of all there was no clarity on how the contracts were let. As the federal government had mentioned, there were thousands of companies that put up their hand to say that they could support manufacturing of PPE, but there was no transparency or clarity on how those contracts were provided, who got them and what criteria was given. That was a huge concern.

We still have a concern that we will continue to not have enough PPE going forward and not enough domestic manufacturers. It's one thing to say that you can do it, but it's another thing to say you can do it in the time we need it.

Not only do hospitals need PPE, but manufacturers need PPE to keep their people safe and to keep producing.

We have some grave concerns on how the contracts were let and what benchmarks are being used to make sure that those contracts that were sole-sourced have deliverables on them. We're concerned that we are going to continue to have shortages of PPE, not only on the medical side, but on the manufacturing side.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek, SK

Thank you very much for that.

I have a follow-up question. There was an article posted today. Global News experts are saying that Canada will need to produce 40% of our own PPE in order to meet our needs.

Are we anywhere close to that?

12:20 p.m.

President and Founder, Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers and Businesses of Canada

Jocelyn Bamford

Absolutely not. Manufacturers have put up their hand. A lot of them have just gone ahead and started to retool on their own nickel. We need to make sure that for those people who invested their own money to make PPE—because they recognized there was going to be a hole in the marketplace, not only for medical, but also for industrial—there's a way to distribute those products and an equitable playing field. It seems, when you look back at it, that some of those contracts that were awarded had some political connections.

As small and medium-sized businesses, we want to know whether everybody has the same opportunity to produce and sell PPE, or whether the federal government is picking winners and losers as it has done in the past. We don't think that's an equitable way to go about running an economy in Canada.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek, SK

Thank you very much for that.

Mr. Chair, how much time do I have left?

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

One minute.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek, SK

Given that I only have one minute, Mr. Chair, I would like to table a motion that I put on notice on Wednesday. I don't want to take much of the committee's time to debate the motion. Everybody has had a chance to see it.

I did hear the concerns and questions that were expressed in our last committee meeting about the previous motion, and I withdrew that motion. I believe this new motion takes into account those concerns, and hope that it would be adopted quickly.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Thank you, Mrs. Block.

The motion is in order, and it is open for debate.

I will now ask Paul to assist me. If there are any speakers, please indicate by raising your hand virtually or getting our attention, and we will put you on a speakers list.

We have Mr. MacKinnon first, and then Mr. Drouin.

Mr. MacKinnon, please go ahead.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

My thanks to Mrs. Block for recognizing our concerns. I also thank her for introducing a notice of motion.

I am inclined to support her initiative, but I wonder whether we can ask her to amend the timeline in her motion slightly, given that the people who are going to compile the information are those who are deeply involved in the current effort. I propose we add a few weeks, maybe one or two months, so that they can respond to her quite exhaustive list of information requests.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Before I ask Mrs. Block to respond, I'll go to Mr. Drouin for his comments.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Mr. Chair, my colleague, Mr. MacKinnon, just expressed the same concerns I have. I don't need to speak. Thank you.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Mr. MacKinnon, are you proposing a friendly amendment?

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

Friendly is in the eye of the beholder, Mr. Chair, but yes I am.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Mrs. Block, can I get your response, please?

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek, SK

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I recognize there is a lot of work the folks who would be compiling this information would need to do. I think the resources are there. We're not asking for anything that could not be provided within the time frame we've put forward. As I said, I took into consideration the concerns that were raised. The motion does not include emails, which I understand take some time to sort through.

I would just say that I think the timing is important, given our summer meetings and the need to be able to have this information in front of us before those meetings.