Health Committee on April 23rd, 2026

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

You don't, so let's call a vote.

I do not have unanimous consent to have this motion resumed—

[Maggie Chi, Liberal, Don Valley North, ON]

I have a point of order, Chair.

I think there is some confusion. Are we voting on the resumption of debate? We are not voting on the motion. There is some suggestion on the other side that we are voting on the motion. I just want to clarify that.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Whether the motion comes back or not is not debatable. You just go, “I don't agree.” You don't have to debate the reasons why. That's what is meant by “debatable” and “non-debatable”. If you don't want the motion, you can just say so. That's simply what I'm asking.

I don't have unanimous consent to place this motion back on the Order Paper. Because I do not have unanimous consent, do you wish to have a recorded vote, or do you just want to say whether the motion is passed or not passed?

[An hon. member]

Vote.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

We'll have a vote.

[The Clerk of the Committee, Catherine Ngando Edimo]

The vote is to resume debate on the motion.

(Motion agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)

[Helena Konanz, Conservative, Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC]

I had my hand up first.

[Maggie Chi, Liberal, Don Valley North, ON]

No, I put my hand up first.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

What are you putting your hand up for? Is it for a point of order, Ms. Chi?

[Maggie Chi, Liberal, Don Valley North, ON]

I have a point of order. My hand was up first.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

We have to read out the result of the vote first.

[Helena Konanz, Conservative, Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC]

I put my hand up first.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

I didn't see your hand.

Look, guys, stop doing this. We're not in school.

I have a list of people, and I am about to read the result of a vote that was just taken by this committee. I will do that, and then I will entertain the discussion.

I will read out the vote. There were five yeas and four nays. The motion to resume debate is carried.

On the list I have Ms. Chi, Ms. Konanz and Ms. Sidhu.

Ms. Chi.

[Maggie Chi, Liberal, Don Valley North, ON]

Thank you, and thank you to all the witnesses.

Unfortunately, I have a couple of questions for BioCanRx that couldn't be answered, given the disruption—

[Burton Bailey, Conservative, Red Deer, AB]

I have a point of order, Chair.

[Maggie Chi, Liberal, Don Valley North, ON]

—by the motion that was placed on the table. I thought it was dealt with last time, and that's why we resumed the pharmaceutical sovereignty study.

[Some hon. members]

Oh, oh!

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Order, please.

A member is speaking. The member should get to finish what she is saying. She's raising a point of order. I cannot determine whether it's a valid point of order until I finish hearing what she has to say.

Continue, Ms. Chi.

[Maggie Chi, Liberal, Don Valley North, ON]

It's very unfortunate, because it's a Liberal study that we placed on the agenda in September. Due to various reasons, we weren't able to get to our study. We've been very collaborative, giving Conservatives the first study and giving the second study to the Bloc.

It's been almost a year and we've just reached the Liberal study. This is only our third meeting. When we started the study, it was interrupted by various topics. Despite whatever is being brought up, there should be a level of respect to complete the Liberal study before we delve into the other topics.

I feel we've given a level of respect to the Conservatives and the Bloc. We finished the study. We added meetings to the Conservative study. We've been very collaborative, so this is actually very disappointing. I feel bad, because we have witnesses online and in person today and we aren't able to proceed.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Riding Mountain, MB]

I have a point of order on that.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

The member is speaking to her point of order, Mr. Mazier. It's not up to you to decide whether it's a point of order or not. The chair makes that decision. I cannot make a decision until I hear what Ms. Chi has to say. Can we be respectful of each other, please? I have your name down on the roster to speak later on.

Continue, Ms. Chi.

[Maggie Chi, Liberal, Don Valley North, ON]

Thank you, Chair.

I want to express how frustrating this is. We're trying to complete the pharmaceutical sovereignty study, and I feel bad for the witnesses.

This is not the first time this has happened. Even now, I'm being interrupted as a member. It's something I really want to raise, because this is a pattern I've noticed at our committee. We are unable to get through our Liberal study, for whatever intent and purpose the other side has.

I implore members to let us complete our Liberal study. It would be great if we could. We've given everybody around the table respect regarding their studies. I only ask that the same respect be given to our study.

I believe this is a very important study. We've heard from witnesses about the shortages—

[Helena Konanz, Conservative, Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC]

Chair, I have a point of order. I don't think this—

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Ms. Konanz, a member has the floor.

[Helena Konanz, Conservative, Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC]

They're not respecting your time.