Evidence of meeting #1 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was documents.

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11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Could someone clarify something for me? Our colleagues on the government side claim that Mr. Reid in no way intended to deprive committee members or witnesses of the right to express themselves in their preferred language. That's all well and good. However, I'd like Mr. Reid to enlighten me, as he alone can answer this question. He's suggesting that a letter or form be sent to all potential witnesses to let them know that documents must be in both languages before they can be circulated. I was under the impression that this committee was run like every other committee and that when the clerk invited a person or organization to testify, he or she advised them as a matter of course that documents needed to be in both languages before they could be distributed to committee members.

Here's my question. If potential witnesses are so instructed in writing and if some arrive here claiming not to have received the information or to have received it too late to have their submissions translated, do you want them to be allowed to distribute their documents? Is that what you would like?

I'm beginning to doubt the motives of just about everyone on your side. As I see it, there's no other reason for your suggesting that these instructions be in writing. When a witness arrives here and claims that he received only 24 hours' notice, obviously he hasn't had time to have his submission translated into French. Even if the witness was able to forward his document electronically to the clerk, translation services and the clerk probably wouldn't have time to translate it and print it up for distribution to all committee members.

Do you wish to allow an exception to the rule? It seems this committee has made exceptions in the past.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Mr. Reid.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

I did not move an amendment to this motion. That's a direct answer to a direct question from Ms. Jennings.

Contrary to what you said, this wasn't standard practice in the past. I know that for a fact because I testified before a committee and I did not receive any instructions. I think we need to practice what we preach. We must ensure that prior to arriving here, all witnesses receive instructions, either in writing as I suggested, or by e-mail. We must let witnesses know that we can arrange to have documents of a certain length translated for them. That's all I suggested.

Quite frankly, I fail to understand why my comments are sparking such controversy.

Just to repeat it in English, I think the idea of ensuring that all witnesses be universally assured, that they receive notification that their documents will be circulated and the translation will be available, seems to me to be a good practice. As I said, it hasn't been universal. It should be universal, and all I proposed was that we make it a practice at our committee to ensure that it is universal.

I had no idea it would be so controversial.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Monsieur Guimond.

11:45 a.m.

Bloc

Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC

Scott, maybe the problem is that when you start speaking by referring to the Charter of Rights.... Ensuring that every witness can speak the language he wants, that all members can speak the language they want to speak--everybody agrees with that. Everybody agrees. I think we must work hard on our disagreements at this committee, not on facts upon which everybody agrees. This is the problem that started this discussion.

Regarding your second point, I have complete faith in the clerk, so much so that I would even give her my debit card and my PIN number.

Mr. Chairman, could you ask the clerk what instructions she gives to the witnesses when they are invited to give testimony before the committee? Does she advise them that if they plan to table a document, they need to ensure that it is in both languages or that if they cannot afford or do not have access to translation services, we can arrange to have the document translated for them? Does she tell them that if deadlines are short and there is no time to translate the document, it will not in fact be tabled? Finally, does she let them know that they can make their presentation in their preferred language, as per the freedom of expression provisions in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms? Does the clerk impart this information to potential witnesses? If not, I'll draw up suitable instructions for her.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Thank you very much.

I've allowed a lot more speakers on this issue, and I think we're getting to the front of it and we all agree. But I will take one last speaker on this, unless there is something very seriously....

Mr. Hill, please. And please remember we have all agreed now.

11:45 a.m.

An hon. member

Don't rock the boat.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Jay Hill Conservative Prince George—Peace River, BC

It wasn't my intention to rock the boat at all. It's never my intention to rock the boat about anything. Everybody knows that about me.

Mr. Chair, I would agree with my colleagues that it is an unfortunate beginning for our committee. But I think we are all on the same page, and with the suggestion of Mr. Guimond that our clerk try to ensure that all witnesses appearing before us be aware of this agreed-upon stipulation, if I can call it that, then we can move forward.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Is there more discussion on that? Looking around the room, I see there is not.

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Trust that I will make sure that happens, and the clerk is aware of that.

Thank you for a lively discussion. I think it was a great start to a meeting.

11:50 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

The next one will be worse.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Let's hope not.

Is there any discussion on working meals?

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Jay Hill Conservative Prince George—Peace River, BC

We all like to eat.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

How surprising.

Thank you very much. It is so moved.

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

On in camera meeting transcripts--again, trying to get the committee back to focusing on some of the other motions here, is there any discussion on this motion?

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Finally, there is the Subcommittee on Private Members' Business.

Mr. Hill, please.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Jay Hill Conservative Prince George—Peace River, BC

I would nominate my colleague Joe Preston to be the chair of that subcommittee to deal with private members' business.

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Thank you very much.

Yes, Mr. Hill.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Jay Hill Conservative Prince George—Peace River, BC

Mr. Chair, I'm not sure of the exact process we just used, so perhaps we'd just put a motion to ensure that all of the previous motions are carried unanimously by the committee. Would that be appropriate?

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

That is appropriate.

Mr. Hill puts a motion forward that all these motions be so carried.

(Motion agreed to)

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Thank you.

I think we are finished. Are there any other comments?

Yes, Mr. Guimond.

11:50 a.m.

Bloc

Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC

Other committees will be struck and I'm calling on my three whip colleagues. As soon as we're ready for business, we can approve the list of committee members. I'd like to advise my colleagues Mr. Hill, Ms. Redman and Mr. Godin that we still don't have the rotating committee schedule. It hasn't yet been adopted. Among other things, It determines when Members are on duty here at the House in Ottawa.

Could you attend to this without further ado and get in touch with Ms. Marie-Andrée Lajoie to signify our agreement? The NDP officials and myself have already done so. However, in so far as the committee rotation is concerned, we're waiting on the government members and on the Official Opposition to act.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Mr. Hill.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Jay Hill Conservative Prince George—Peace River, BC

Yes, I'm prepared right now to agree to that schedule for the meetings of the other committees, if that's acceptable to the official opposition whip.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Acting Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Ms. Redman.