Evidence of meeting #4 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Mayrand  Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer
Audrey O'Brien  Clerk of the House of Commons, House of Commons
Louis Bard  Chief Information Officer, House of Commons
Claire Kennedy  Chief Financial Officer, House of Commons

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thank you for the point. It's great to hear it.

Monsieur Mayrand, you asked us a couple of things in your opening comments, about our perhaps touring Elections Canada again, or your being able to show us some other things that you have in the way of accessibility. On behalf of the committee, I will take on that we will endeavour to do that as we can, before the end of June.

I look forward to your statutory report coming out on March 31. I was wondering what I was going to do over Easter. I apparently will have some reading.

We thank you for your candid information today. You've made us a promise of some information coming back to the committee in the fairly short term. We'll get that out to the members as soon as you can do that.

I thank you and your guests for coming today, and I think we'll see you again soon if we have a report coming to the House.

Thank you very much.

11:55 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Marc Mayrand

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I'll suspend for five minutes while we change our witnesses and go on to the Speaker and the Clerk.

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I'd like to call the meeting to order, please.

We're here, pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), to consider the supplementary estimates (C) for 2009-10, vote 5c, House of Commons, under Parliament, which was referred to the committee on Wednesday, March 3, 2010.

It's always great to see you, Speaker and Madam Clerk. It's always good to have you at our meetings.

I will allow you to give us a bit of an opening statement, if you would like, and tell us anything you'd like to. Let's carry on from there and then we'll ask you some really hard and hitting questions and see what you have to say.

Mr. Speaker, it's up to you.

Noon

Kingston and the Islands Ontario

Liberal

Peter Milliken LiberalSpeaker of the House of Commons

You're too kind, Mr. Chairman. Thank you very much.

Good morning--or afternoon, whatever it now is; I guess we're into the afternoon.

Today I will be presenting the House of Commons Supplementary Estimates (C) for Fiscal Year 2009-2010.

The proposed Supplementary Estimates (C) for the House of Commons total $9,872,988. I would like to stress at the outset of this discussion that all items in the House of Commons Supplementary Estimates (C) were presented to, and approved by, the Board of Internal Economy.

For reference purposes, you have been given a document showing the voted appropriations and statutory appropriations that are included in the Supplementary Estimates (C). To facilitate today's discussion, I will provide a brief overview of each item in the order that they have been presented.

First of all, the supplementary estimates (C) provide $5.1 million in additional funding for the production of ten percenters.

This funding is required due to an anticipated significant increase in the demand for individual ten percenter products. Based on the first six months of operation in 2009-10, we expected an increase of 87% in volume. According to the members' allowances and services manual, members may request an unlimited number of ten percenters, provided that the content has a 50% difference from other ten percenters that are produced.

However, due to the anticipated increase in ten percenter volumes and the related costs, the Board of Internal Economy decided at its meeting on December 7, 2009, to impose an upper limit to the number of impressions for the remainder of the fiscal year, divided according to party proportionality.

The funds that are provided in the supplementary estimates will cover the required funding for these new printing allocations as approved by the board.

Next, the Supplementary Estimates (C) allocate $628,000 to cover collective agreements and salary adjustments for House of Commons employees, specifically employees working in the Technical Group, lawyers and senior managers. The economic increases of 1.5% are in accordance with the Expenditure Restraint Act and were approved by the Board of Internal Economy.

You will also note that the supplementary estimates (C ) include $100,000 for members' resettlement provisions. As you may be aware, following a general election, members who are not re-elected are entitled to certain resettlement provisions, which can cover such services as financial counselling, retirement counselling, and education costs. There is no permanent budget for the resettlement provisions. Rather, funding is sought following a general election and is strictly based on the reimbursement of allowable expenses to former members.

Following the October 14, 2008, general election, the board approved this temporary funding in 2009-10 through supplementary estimates (C).

Furthermore, the supplementary estimates (C) reflect a re-profiling of funds in the amount of $115,000. This funding is for the implementation of an integrated procurement and contract management module in order to automate the procurement and materiel management process. The project was launched as planned in October 2009; however, difficulties in obtaining the required external resources have led to a delay in the project schedule. As a result, the funds will lapse in 2009-10 and will be requested for 2010-11.

The modernization of materiel and contract management continues to be a priority, and work on the integrated procurement and contract management module is progressing with other phases of the project.

Additionally, the supplementary estimates (C) allocate $2.7 million to the travel points system. The current budget for the travel points system had remain unchanged at $18.6 million since 2005-06; however, travel expenditures charged to the travel points system have increased in recent years, reaching a point where the current budget is insufficient to meet resource requirements. The increases in travel costs are attributable to rising prices in the travel industry, which can be explained in part by a capacity constraint among airlines, competition between leisure and business travel, surtaxes on airline charges, and increases in ground transportation costs. As per the Parliament of Canada Act, the travel point system ensures that all members have access to the same transportation resources regardless of where their constituency is located.

The supplementary estimates (C) also allocate $860,000 to the new service-level agreement for the provision of high-speed constituency communication network services. The contract for this service was renewed in June 2007, which presented an opportunity to review requirements based on members' feedback.

The additional funding will allow for the delivery of enhanced services to Members in their constituency offices and will enable access to Members' Ottawa office data from constituency offices. Enhanced services will also include a higher level of security, uniform services for all Members and shorter timeframes for network installations.

As with the travel points system, the constituency communication network is a statutory item as per the Parliament of Canada Act.

Finally, the supplementary estimates (C) allocate $600,000 for a pension adjustment to the members of Parliament retirement compensation arrangements account. The cost to the House of Commons for contributions to members' pension plans is determined and managed by Treasury Board based on actuarial calculations. The Treasury Board has estimated a $3.2 million deficit in the retirement compensation arrangements account as of March 31, 2009. Pursuant to the related legislation, the president of the Treasury Board has determined that the deficit should be amortized with interest in six instalments over a seven-year period beginning with the 2008-09 fiscal year. An annual amount of $600,000 is therefore required until the 2013-14 fiscal year.

Similar to the travel points system and the constituency communications network, the members' retirement compensation arrangements account is also a statutory item.

I have now provided you with an overview of the House of Commons Supplementary Estimates (C) for the Fiscal year 2009-2010.

At this time, the Clerk and I will be happy to answer any questions that you may have.

Thank you very much.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thank you, Peter, for your overview.

Madam Jennings.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for your succinct and clear presentation. I do have a couple of questions.

On the second page of the document that is signed off by Ms. O'Brien, the very last item before the total says, “Utilities materials and supplies”. Does that amount represent $3,393,000?

March 18th, 2010 / 12:10 p.m.

Audrey O'Brien Clerk of the House of Commons, House of Commons

Yes.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Okay.

Does “Utilities materials and supplies” include ten percenters?

12:10 p.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons, House of Commons

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Then I'd like to go to this other sheet that we have, the supplementary estimates summary. It breaks it down to “Voted Appropriations”, with a subtotal, then “Statutory Appropriations”. I see that the very first item listed as a voted appropriation is “Additional Funding for the Production of Ten Percenters”, at $5,100,000.

12:10 p.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons, House of Commons

Audrey O'Brien

That's correct.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

What will be the total amount for ten percenters for the fiscal year 2009-10 with this $5,100,000 included?

12:10 p.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons, House of Commons

Audrey O'Brien

Let me explain about the source of this $5,100,000.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Please.

12:10 p.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons, House of Commons

Audrey O'Brien

Under normal circumstances, we had been able to cover the costs of ten percenters in the general printing budget for the House of Commons. But by virtue of increasing volume and increasing use of the ten percenter as a communication tool, we found ourselves in a deficit situation as of the end of June.

So when we went back to the Board of Internal Economy, we predicated our request on the volumes that we had been facing in that first six months and asked for another $2.5 million to $2.6 million to cover us until the end of this year.

I'll ask Louis Bard, who is the head of the Information Services Directorate and responsible for printing services, to tell us about the total costs for ten percenters.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Yes, please.

12:10 p.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons, House of Commons

Audrey O'Brien

The difficulty with ten percenters is that they're not a separate item from the printing budget.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

I understand.

12:10 p.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons, House of Commons

Audrey O'Brien

They've just taken on a life of their own in recent months, but Louis can tell you--

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

I understand, but my question is simple. Within the accounting that's done for the general printing costs, is it possible to break out the actual amount of costs for the ten percenters? If the answer is yes, what's the total amount, including this appropriation of an additional $5,100,000 specifically for ten percenters?

12:15 p.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons, House of Commons

Audrey O'Brien

It is possible to do that, and Louis will do it right now.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Okay. While he's checking the numbers, I'd also like to know if it's possible to give us with precision, to date, not including the additional $5,100,000 specifically for ten percenters to the end of the fiscal year, how much each party has cost in printing for ten percenters.

12:15 p.m.

Louis Bard Chief Information Officer, House of Commons

The overall budget for printing this year in terms of ten percenters and other products is around $10.5 million. And 73% of that budget is for individual ten percenters. Around 5% is for the regrouped ten percenters.

That gives you good reference numbers.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Okay. So that means 78% of the $10.5 million is directly...?