Evidence of meeting #54 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was document.

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Nicolas Auclair  Committee Researcher
Andre Barnes  Committee Researcher

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Bloc

Pierre Paquette Bloc Joliette, QC

What professionalism!

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

With that change in the French version, we are now dealing with paragraphs 1 through 4.

All in favour...?

Sorry. More, Monsieur Proulx?

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

In paragraph 3, Mr. McKay informs me that there's an error in the first sentence. We say that “through an access to information request Mr. McKay obtained a document”. It wasn't Mr. McKay who obtained it; it was Embassy magazine.

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Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

Embassy magazine did the access to information request and the information then became part of the public record. Those documents became widely available.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Did Mr. McKay obtain it after that?

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Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

Yes.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

And through Embassy magazine?

It's not actually incorrect, then, but we could lengthen it by adding that it was somehow different from that.

What would you like?

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

I suppose we could say “through an ATIP request by Embassy magazine, Mr. McKay obtained....”

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

On that, Mr. Lukiwski?

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Conservative

Tom Lukiwski Conservative Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK

That's fine. I was just going to say that the way it reads is not technically incorrect. It says “through an access to information request”. It doesn't say “Mr. McKay facilitated an access to information request”. But if you want to put in “Embassy magazine”, sure, that's fine.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

All right. So in both—

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Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

In actual wording, I think if we said “As a result of an access to information request through Embassy magazine, Mr. McKay drew the committee's attention to a document”, I think that was the function of what Mr. McKay did. He said “Hey, you should be looking at this”. Does that seem reasonable?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Are we okay with those semantics?

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An hon. member

Yes, that's better.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Mr. Albrecht.

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Conservative

Harold Albrecht Conservative Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

Mr. Chair, at the risk of putting you to sleep, I don't understand, if that is a fact, why we didn't hear from Embassy people at this committee. I was under the impression all along that it was directly from Mr. McKay.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

We certainly could have called them as witnesses, I suppose, and I'll offer again a return to the evidentiary portion of this committee's work.

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Conservative

Harold Albrecht Conservative Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

That's not a bad idea.

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

So 1, 2, 3, 4...?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Are we okay with those changes to 1, 2, 3, 4?

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Yes, sir, absolutely.

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Any opposed?

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

None opposed.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

None opposed. Thank you for the assistant chairmanship there today.