Thank you to our witnesses.
I did want to acknowledge the role the Council of Canadians did play in revealing publicly through the court process the little that we do know. I want to thank you for your efforts. It did produce a ruling by one of the leading judges in this country, Judge Mosley, who did find, as you indicated, that there was “an orchestrated effort to suppress votes during the 2011 election campaign by a person or persons with access to the CIMS database.” We know that database is the Conservative Party's database, and he found that the most likely source of the information used for the robocall fraud across the country was that database.
It's all the more worthy of our thanks that you persevered in getting that ruling, despite the judge also noting that you had to face “trench warfare”, attempts to “block these proceedings by any means”, and attempts to “derail” these proceedings by the lawyers of the Conservative Party representing the MPs, who probably had no say at all in how their case was being conducted, I must add.
You also indicated here, and I think this is really important, how crucial the database is, and I'll be getting to Mr. Rowland on this. You indicated that how quickly those who have access to the database in the Conservative Party could determine who downloaded the database when and, frankly, from where. And we do know in recent days that a certain individual at the head of the Conservative Party, a Mr. Soudas, was traced back to a download that resulted in the Prime Minister releasing him from his duties. Yet somehow we cannot find who downloaded this data in the case of 2011.
Mr. Rowland, you've given some extremely powerful suggestions that indicate, if I'm right, that the robocall system put in the act is minimalist at best, and not likely to actually catch the kind of robo-fraud that occurred in 2011. Would that be your opinion?