Evidence of meeting #132 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pps.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Superintendent Jane MacLatchy  Director, Parliamentary Protective Service
Stephanie Kusie  Calgary Midnapore, CPC
Charles Robert  Clerk of the House of Commons
Robert Graham  Administration and Personnel Officer, Parliamentary Protective Service
Michel Patrice  Deputy Clerk, Administration, House of Commons
Louise Baird  Assistant Secretary, Strategic Communications and Ministerial Affairs, Treasury Board Secretariat
Andre Barnes  Committee Researcher

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Good morning.

Welcome to the 132nd meeting of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs. Our first order of business today is the supplementary estimates (A), for 2018-2019: vote 1a under House of Commons and vote 1a under Parliamentary Protective Service.

We are pleased to have with us the Honourable Geoff Regan, Speaker of the House of Commons. Joining him are Charles Robert, Clerk of the House; Michel Patrice, Deputy Clerk, Administration; and Daniel Paquette, Chief Financial Officer. From the Parliamentary Protective Service, we are joined by Chief Superintendent Jane MacLatchy, Director; and Robert Graham, Administration and Personnel Officer.

In the second hour, we will have witnesses on a question of privilege, which Mr. Robert will stay for, along with the Treasury Board.

This afternoon, for those who want to, we have the informal meeting with the Mongolian delegation. There are no parliamentarians, as I said earlier, but you're still welcome to attend.

I'll open the floor for opening remarks.

Mr. Speaker.

11:30 a.m.

Halifax West Nova Scotia

Liberal

Geoff Regan LiberalSpeaker of the House of Commons

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, members of the committee.

It's a pleasure to be back before your committee in my role as Speaker of the House of Commons to present our supplementary estimates (A) for the 2018-19 fiscal year.

This appearance is an opportunity for the House of Commons to present the approved additional funding for previous planned initiatives, which are designed to maintain and enhance the administration's support to members of Parliament and to the institution itself.

I will also present the supplementary estimates (A) for the Parliamentary Protective Service, or PPS.

You've introduced the people with me this morning, so I won't go through those. I'm happy to have these folks with me this morning.

I'll begin my presentation by highlighting key elements of the 2018 supplementary estimates (A) for the House of Commons. These total $15.9 million in additional funding. The amount allocated for members and House officers is $6.9 million. The remaining $9 million was distributed to House administration service areas to fund in-year strategic priorities, bringing the House of Commons' estimates to $522.9 million for the fiscal year.

As you'll note, the line item falls under the broad category of voted appropriations.

To begin, our line item confirms that temporary funding in the amount of $15.9 million has been sought for what is technically known as the operation budget carry forward.

I would like to highlight that no additional funding is sought as part of the supplementary estimates other than the carry forward, contrary to what has been done in previous years.

The Board of Internal Economy's carry-forward policy allows members, House officers and House administration to carry forward unspent funds from one fiscal year to the next, up to a maximum of 5% of their operating budgets in the main estimates. Members will know that this is to avoid what's known as “March madness”. This practice follows that of the Government of Canada and gives members, House officers and House administration more flexibility in planning and carrying out their work.

The House of Commons' carry-forward has been approved by the Board of Internal Economy and, further to a Treasury Board directive, is reflected in our supplementary estimates.

I would now like to turn to the Parliamentary Protective Service.

Since the beginning of the 2018-19 fiscal year, the Parliamentary Protective Service, or PPS, has continued to deliver its mandate to ensure the physical security within the parliamentary precinct and on Parliament Hill.

In support of the PPS' progress to date, and to ensure its continued ability to deliver its protection mandate, I'm here to present to you PPS's supplementary estimates (A) requests.

I'll begin with an overview of PPS's supplementary estimates (A) request for 2018-19, which totals $7.6 million. This includes a voted budget component of $7.1 million and a $502,000 statutory budget requirement for the employee benefits program.

The voted authorities to date for the PPS total $76.7 million from the 2018-19 main estimates. Adding the 2018-19 supplementary estimates (A) voted amount of $7.1 million will bring the PPS voted appropriations to a total of $83.8 million for the 2018-19 fiscal year. Including statutory requirements, the total estimates to date for the PPS are $91.1 million.

It's important to note that the total estimates to date of $91.1 million for 2018-19 include $6.75 million for initiatives that will be completed by the end of the current fiscal year. These include the camera project for the West Block, a crash barrier replacement at the vehicle screening facility or VSF, the acquisition of vehicles and several IT projects. These are one-time things. Obviously, in due course, we will eventually have to replace some of these again, but for a while, they are one time.

The vehicle screening facility (VSF) is the primary access control point for the vehicular traffic on Parliament Hill. Following an internal review, PPS is requesting two additional supervisory positions at the VSF to oversee the personnel for this twenty-four-hour, seven-day-a-week operation.

PPS is requesting funding to acquire seven law-enforcement-rated vehicles to be used within the parliamentary precinct. These vehicles will be PPS assets and will blend in with the parliamentary precinct's vehicular fleet in support of PPS operations. Currently, PPS personnel use RCMP minivans that are nearing the end of their life cycle and do not meet PPS's operational requirements.

Protection agencies around the world are amending their training policies to ensure that the closest first responders are able to engage a threat as quickly as possible. Currently not all of PPS's protection personnel have such training. The PPS intends to apply proven tactics and training methods to empower all its protection personnel to neutralize threats. PPS would also like to build on the success of the lockdown drills with multidisciplinary, collaborative emergency management exercises. To that end, it is requesting six additional training personnel: four to certify protection officers and ensure these skills are maintained, and two to design and carry out ongoing emergency management exercises.

Ensuring that our operational employees are properly equipped is a priority for PPS. PPS is now requesting $144,000 in funding to equip all recruits for the next constable training program.

Funding has also being requested to ensure all PPS employees have licenced copies of the emergency notification system which sends alerts to all parliamentarians and parliamentary employees when specific incidents take place that may affect their security.

Over the last few years, the role of protection officers has evolved. As a result, a new role profile was revised and updated by management, operational employees and human resources professionals. After consultation with the associations, these profiles were evaluated by a third-party job evaluation consulting firm, which recommended that these positions be reclassified one level higher, leading to a salary increase. This reclassification represents an approximate 6.5% salary increase for all PPS protection officers, supervisors and managers, and requires a $2.8-million increase to the PPS's annual salary budget.

When the PPS was first created, it worked closely with the Senate and House administrations to leverage existing corporate systems and administrative tools. While these administrations continue to work closely with PPS, some areas, such as finance and procurement, require additional resources to meet the specific requirements of the PPS. As such, the PPS is requesting an additional two full-time equivalents, FTEs, for the procurement team to manage competitive processes and complex negotiations with suppliers.

PPS is also requesting an additional resource to develop and manage its financial policies in consultation with its parliamentary partners. These initiatives support the sound financial stewardship of funds and resources.

You'll be glad to hear that this concludes my presentation. Thank you for your attention. My team and I are happy to answer questions you may have, or to try to at least.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Before we start, I'd like to congratulate Michaela, our Library of Parliament researcher, for the format of your report, having last year's report beside this year's report. That is very helpful.

Mr. Graham.

November 20th, 2018 / 11:40 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, it won't surprise you that I want to focus on PPS, as I have the last several times that you've been here.

I and many of my colleagues are frustrated that the labour dispute on the Hill continues. I have a number of questions related to that. They do tie back into the estimates, and I'll get to that.

In October, the PPS released a new organizational chart, and for the first time the commissioner appeared on the organizational chart. Can you enlighten us as to what he's doing there?

11:40 a.m.

Chief Superintendent Jane MacLatchy Director, Parliamentary Protective Service

It's “she”.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Yes, she.

What is that position doing there?

11:40 a.m.

C/Supt Jane MacLatchy

It's in line with the legislation that created the organization and the MOU that was subsequently signed in terms of the governance of the PPS and how we moved forward at the time in 2015 when it was created. There's actually a trilateral reporting system.

The Speaker of the House of Commons and the Speaker of the Senate are solely responsible for the service in terms of ensuring that it goes forward from an administrative and policy point of view. However, operationally, the RCMP has the lead on operations on the Hill.

If you notice on the organizational chart that we created, it just indicates that I still have some interaction with the RCMP in terms of overseeing operations.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Just give us a sense of what kind of interaction. Your office, I assume, is on the Hill, or is it at national division, or is it at both?

11:40 a.m.

C/Supt Jane MacLatchy

In terms of my office...?

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

In terms of where you are and your interaction with the RCMP operationally.

11:40 a.m.

C/Supt Jane MacLatchy

My office is downtown on Sparks Street. It's within the PPS headquarters, for lack of a better term, where our main corporate executive team is.

I do have interaction with the commanding officer of national division on a regular basis, but entirely on any operational aspects of the management of PPS. As far as things like labour or anything administrative or corporate are concerned, I don't deal with the commanding officer of national division on any of those things.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

That's all you directly.

11:40 a.m.

C/Supt Jane MacLatchy

Right.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Okay. That's great because the next question I have is about the labour board, which brought down a ruling on October 10 requiring you to negotiate with the unions by October 30.

Did that happen?

11:40 a.m.

C/Supt Jane MacLatchy

What happened after the labour board ruling was rendered on October 10 was that we reached out to all three bargaining units with messaging and began to set up dates to do exactly that, to meet our requirement to start bargaining.

We are in the process right now. We have already met with one, and we have dates with the other two. We're in the process of moving forward with our collective bargaining now, based on that decision from the labour board.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

In the estimates, is there anything set aside for the bargaining process?

11:40 a.m.

C/Supt Jane MacLatchy

Not at this time.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Is that anticipated in the future?

11:40 a.m.

C/Supt Jane MacLatchy

Excuse me, but to be clear, are you asking if we are putting some money aside for potential increases in—

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

For both the bargaining itself, which doesn't come for free, and for the potential results of that.

11:40 a.m.

C/Supt Jane MacLatchy

As far as the bargaining itself is concerned, no, I am not expecting that we are going to come to this table for extra funds.

In terms of what the results of the bargaining are, that's a potential. When we go forward in terms of.... I don't want to speak to what the results of that bargaining process will be, but if there is an increased demand for funding, then we would certainly seek it.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Okay, so you're reaching out to the unions now. We talked in the past about the fact that there is an application at the labour board to merge the unions.

I know you can't talk until that happens. What is the status of that application?

11:45 a.m.

C/Supt Jane MacLatchy

That application is ongoing, and we are still in the midst of hearings with the labour board. We had several of them over the course of the last couple of months, and right now we have dates right up until May 2019, prior to a decision being rendered.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Can we expect that it has to be rendered shortly thereafter, or are we talking about a few more years until this gets decided?

11:45 a.m.

C/Supt Jane MacLatchy

I wish I could answer that, sir. I don't know how long it's going to take the arbitrator to make that decision once the hearings are complete.