Evidence of meeting #26 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was young.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Perrault  Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer
McCarthy  Executive Director, Equitas - International Centre for Human Rights Education
Munday  Executive Director, New Majority
Delhon  Chief Executive Officer, Samara Centre for Democracy

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 26 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3), the committee is meeting today on its study of the main estimates, 2026-27, and the current state of civic resilience in Canada.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format pursuant to the Standing Orders, with members in person and remotely on Zoom.

As per usual, if you want to be recognized, put up your hand, whether you're on Zoom or in person. This is a reminder that all comments should be addressed to the chair. Consult the card in front of you. The guidelines are written on the cards on the table. This is to prevent audio feedback incidents and protect the health and safety of everyone, especially our interpreters.

Before we begin, members have received a copy of a draft budget for the study on the current state of civic resilience in Canada. Is there agreement to adopt the budget?

Is there any opposition? Seeing none, the budget is adopted.

I would now like to welcome our witnesses.

Back by popular demand, one of our number one witnesses—number one in your hearts—from the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer, we have Stéphane Perrault, who's the Chief Electoral Officer, and Marc Limoges, the chief financial officer.

Please go ahead.

Stéphane Perrault Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak with the committee today about the 2026‑27 main estimates for my office and clarify some of our priorities for the upcoming fiscal year.

The Office of the Chief Electoral Officer, which includes the office of the Commissioner of Canada Elections for financial purposes, is funded under two distinct authorities: an annual appropriation, which covers the salaries of indeterminate staff, and an ongoing statutory authority for all other expenses. This funding model ensures the independence of my office by ensuring access to the funds required to prepare for and deliver elections, which may occur at any time.

The annual appropriation for 2026‑27 amounts to $69 millions and represents the salaries for some 600 indeterminate positions. This is the amount voted on by Parliament.

Planned spending under the statutory authority is reported annually to Parliament for transparency and accountability. For the 2026‑27 fiscal year, the total planned spending is $205.2 million. Planned spending under the statutory authority covers all other expenses and includes work conducted in preparation of electoral events, but not the delivery cost of elections and by-elections, the timing of which cannot be predicted.

As we are under a minority government, Elections Canada's priority is ensuring readiness to deliver an election. This includes implementing measures identified based on lessons from the 45th general election, such as improvements to special ballot procedures and controls identified in a report that I shared with the committee last November.

We have also been engaging with organizations and communities in Nunavik to better serve electors. Notably, we are collaborating with the Kativik Regional Government and the Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami, which is commonly known by the acronym ITK—the national organization that represents Inuit in Canada—to remove barriers to electoral participation and improve the voting experience for Inuit electors. Additionally, we hired a new returning officer who is currently visiting all communities to ensure a better understanding of the reality and resources on the ground. Similar work is being done with indigenous communities across the country.

I would also like to thank the committee for the approval of Elections Canada's pilot project to include Inuktitut on federal election ballots in Nunavut. I am hopeful that I will be appearing later this spring before the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs to seek their approval.

This spring we will also finalize the audits of financial returns submitted by candidates, political parties and third parties for the last general election.

Our new risk-based audit approach, using data analytics, allows us to identify areas of risk in a more efficient manner and to better target our audits. Problematic files can be referred more quickly to the commissioner of Canada elections to ensure fairness and timely compliance outcomes.

As of today, 11 months after the 45th general election, I can confirm that we have almost completed the audits. This is much sooner than in the past, when it would normally take 24 months. I would also like to point out that in 2025, we received funding to increase capacity for the office of the commissioner of Canada elections and to make permanent core staff for our social media monitoring unit.

Finally, as we go through a series of minority governments, it is critical that Elections Canada not lose sight of the importance of renewing and modernizing its infrastructure, with the goal of reducing technological debt, replacing legacy systems and offering better services to Canadians. We are now completing the first phase of Elections Canada's digital strategy, which began in 2022-23, and initiating the second phase. The first phase included the relocation of Elections Canada's data centre and a simplified data architecture to better support our systems. That is complete. A new payroll system for election workers will be completed this year. We will continue the development of a secure online portal for political entities, as well as the use of electronic voter lists to expedite voting operations and reduce administrative errors at the polls.

As we look toward the second phase, we are beginning to plan a second wave of initiatives. This could include, for example, the development of electronic voter information cards, or VICs, in response to growing challenges with the timely delivery of paper VICs. Electronic VICs would serve as a complement to paper VICs, which would continue to be issued.

Thank you for inviting me today. I would be pleased to answer your questions.

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Thank you so much, Mr. Perrault.

I will now turn to Mr. Cooper.

You have six minutes, please.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Perrault.

The rogue so-called longest ballot committee is at it again, this time targeting the by-election in Terrebonne. As of this morning, 42 independent candidates have been approved or certified to run in Terrebonne out of 48 or 49 candidates. I understand that the window for certification is up until 2 p.m. tomorrow, but the Elections Canada filing deadline was yesterday.

Approximately how many candidates, fake candidates, can we expect that this committee has put forward?

11:05 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

The count is final. We have 48 candidates in total for Terrebonne.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Of those, 42 are independent.

11:05 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

I believe that's the case. The total is what matters, from my perspective.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Right. Well, of 48 candidates, 42 are independents. We know that the longest ballot committee's activities have created barriers for certain voters. Their actions have made it more difficult for voters to handle and mark their ballots. Voters have experienced longer wait times. It has taken a lot longer to count ballots and get election results.

Given all of the issues that have arisen in past by-elections and elections, what steps is Elections Canada taking to mitigate the potential disruptive effects of the longest ballot committee?

11:05 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

I decided yesterday, in light of the final count, to opt for the approach we took in Battle River—Crowfoot and have a write-in ballot. This is an approach that did work well the last time we used it. It proved to be satisfactory, and 97% of voters found it easy to use. We had very few complaints about the use of that ballot. We felt that this was a better experience for the voters in general.

As in Battle River—Crowfoot, there will be a list of candidates presented in two formats. It will be presented alphabetically on one side and, on the other side, by candidates affiliated with parties or endorsed by parties and independents. That allows voters to navigate complex information in the manner that best suits them.

Again, that was used in Battle River—Crowfoot, and it worked well.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

You said it worked well. I would agree with you that it works a lot better than a ballot that's a metre or a metre and a half long, but I would assume that it would still present difficulties for some voters, such as those who might have physical disabilities or those with literacy challenges, among other impediments. I would take it that this is not an ideal situation. It's the best that can be done in a set of difficult circumstances, because of the malicious activities of the longest ballot committee.

Is that fair?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

It is the lesser evil. That's the way I would put it.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Okay. Thank you for that.

Moving on to a different topic associated with the longest ballot committee, a complaint had been put forward by Mr. Davies, who appeared before this committee, Ryan Davies. He submitted a complaint on July 25 to Elections Canada. He raised the matter of his complaint when he appeared before this committee. When you came subsequent to his appearance, you said that you first learned of it upon his testifying at committee but that, when you followed up as to where the complaint had gone, it was caught by a security filter.

You further testified that the physical complaint itself was not transferred to the commissioner of Canada elections, but assured the committee that the commissioner was seized with the complaint. However, in an answer to an undertaking you subsequently provided to the committee, you indicated that the report or the complaint had, in fact, been transferred to the commissioner of Canada elections sometime between July 31 and August 11, so there is an inconsistency or a discrepancy between what you first said—that it wasn't physically transferred—and your later undertaking that it, in fact, was transferred to the commissioner of Canada elections. Can you explain?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

I'd have to go back.

Again, I don't want to mislead the committee in any way, shape or form. What I can say is that all of the relevant information was made available to the commissioner. She is aware, of course, of Mr. Davies. She has the opportunity to reach out to him, and he to her. The controls in place to make sure that no complaint is ever lost or omitted have been implemented. There are regular, hourly checks on the filter, if we can call it that, on the security checks, so that it doesn't go unattended.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

There are now hourly checks, but there were not hourly checks.

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

There were not.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Were there any measures in place before to monitor the security filter?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

There were measures, but they had to be prompted to a supervisor in order to.... The decision of the person disposing of a complaint or not looking at it and not referring it could be made alone without necessarily the check of a supervisor. Now it has to go through a supervisor. No complaint that is put in the filter is disposed of or not followed up on unless a supervisor gives it a nod. That would be the case, for instance, if there's absolutely no plausible offence under the act that's the subject matter of the complaint, or it's irrelevant to, in fact, the activities of the agency, which happens.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Let me just ask you—

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Be very quick.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Let me ask you this. Were any complaints identified that were trapped in the security filter that were not then forwarded to the commissioner of Canada elections in a timely manner?

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Give a very quick answer.

11:10 a.m.

Chief Electoral Officer, Office of the Chief Electoral Officer

Stéphane Perrault

I believe, yes, and that's why we have corrections. I believe she has all the information relevant to those complaints, but it's quite possible that some complaints might not have been transferred.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Thank you so much.

Ms. Kayabaga, you have six minutes, please.

Arielle Kayabaga Liberal London West, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Welcome again to our committee.

Obviously, we know that Canadians expect two things from Elections Canada. They expect that our elections remain beyond reproach and that our funds are managed responsibly.

In that vein, could you explain how this year's main estimates strike the balance between maintaining constant election readiness and ensuring that we are using taxpayers' dollars prudently, especially when we're not in an election year?