Evidence of meeting #31 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was hybrid.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Janse  Clerk of the House of Commons
St George  Chief Financial Officer, House of Commons
Bédard  Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel, House of Commons
Monette  Director, Parliamentary Protective Service
Dicaire  Chief Information Officer, House of Commons
Aubé  Chief Executive Administrator, House of Commons
Mellon  Senior Officer, Risk Management and Investigations, Corporate Security Operations, House of Commons
Savard  Chief Financial Officer, Parliamentary Protective Service
LeBlanc  Deputy Clerk, Procedure, House of Commons

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 31 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), the committee is meeting on its study of the main estimates, 2026-27.

Today's meeting is taking place in public in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely using the Zoom application.

Before I continue, I would ask all in-person participants—and I hope all of you are familiar with this—to consult the card on your table. These measures are in place to help prevent audio and feedback incidents and to protect the health and safety of all participants. For those who are struggling to find their card, don't worry, just speak into the microphone and don't put your earpiece.... I shouldn't joke about that.

I have a few comments for the benefit of the members.

All comments should be addressed through the chair, so Mr. Speaker, if you say “you”, you're referring to me. That was a Speaker joke.

For members in the room, raise your hand if you wish to speak.

Madame Normandin, if you wish to speak, use the “raise hand” feature.

I would now like to welcome our witnesses for today, and there have been some additions, so give me a moment, please.

We have with us the Honourable Francis Scarpaleggia, Speaker of the House of Commons. From the House of Commons, we have Eric Janse, Clerk of the House of Commons; Jeffrey LeBlanc, deputy clerk, procedure; Michel Bédard, law clerk and parliamentary counsel; Stéphan Aubé, chief executive administrator; Paul St George, chief financial officer; Rebekah Kletke, chief operations officer; Benoit Dicaire, chief information officer; Jennifer Ruff, chief audit executive; and Carolyne Evangelidis, human resources officer. Name tags will be delivered shortly.

Even though we would prefer Madame Normandin to be here in person, we have a lot of witnesses, and some of them are taking up her spot, but I'm sure she doesn't mind.

We'll now turn to the Speaker for his opening remarks.

11:05 a.m.

Lac-Saint-Louis Québec

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia LiberalSpeaker of the House of Commons

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Members of the committee, I am delighted to be here today.

As Speaker of the House of Commons, it is my responsibility to present the 2026–27 main estimates for the House of Commons and those for the Parliamentary Protective Service.

The main estimates presented today outline the funding that enables our institutions to support the important work carried out by members of Parliament, on Parliament Hill and elsewhere, as part of their diverse duties.

The 2026-27 main estimates for the House of Commons amount to $669 million, an increase of 1.9% from the previous year. This moderate increase reflects the impact of cost pressures, which are partially offset by budget adjustments tied to the results of the last election and by efficiencies identified through the strategic internal assessment of operations, or SIAO, as it's called. The SIAO is a multi-year review of House administration services that aims to strengthen service excellence while controlling costs.

The handout you have received presents the year-over-year changes in the budget across four categories. Number one is a funding increase as part of the long-term vision and plan and new funding for the public visitor registration program. Two is cost-of-living and 2025 general election funding impacts. Three is other items. Four is the strategic internal assessment of operations.

The first category includes an increase of $1.1 million. This includes funding for the new off-site data centre on the Hill for disaster recovery, i.e., for the maintenance and life cycle of this facility. This category also includes new permanent funding to expand the team responsible for visitor registration at the Visitor Welcome Centre.

The second category, cost-of-living and 2025 general election funding impacts, represents an increase of $10.6 million. This includes a 2.8% increase, or $5.9 million, to the members' and House officers' office budgets, the constituency office budget and the travel status expenses budget, based on the adjusted consumer price index, or CPI.

The adjustment to the office budgets of members and House officers also accounts for a net reduction of $2.7 million to reflect the impacts of the general election. This includes a $4-million reduction to the House officers' budgets following the shift from four recognized parties to three and an increase of $1.2 million to the elector supplement for members representing densely populated constituencies.

This category also includes the annual salary adjustment for members of Parliament provided for in the Parliament of Canada Act. At approximately 3.3%, it took effect on April 1, 2025, and amounts to $2.3 million.

Finally, it includes $5.2 million for salary increases for House Administration staff and pages.

For the 2026–27 fiscal year, the Parliamentary Protective Service, or PPS, is not requesting additional appropriations under the main estimates. The PPS can bill for services, and we intend to use this additional revenue to offset expenses. However, the PPS is considering making some adjustments to the employee benefits plan.

For the 2026–27 fiscal year, the amount for the statutory employee benefit plan increased by $1.3 million, for a total budget of $120.9 million.

The three other adjustments to the PPS employee benefit plan are as follows.

First, funds will be transferred from operating and maintenance to increased overtime expenses. This change better aligns budgets with expenses and increases the employee benefit plan by $179,802.

Second, there is an increase in revenues for services offered, from $1.5 million to $2 million. The monetary impact of this change is an increase of $164,000 to the employee benefit plan.

Thirdly, this is an increase for the employee benefits plan, as required by the Treasury Board Secretariat. This increase, from 15.3% to 16.4%, amounts to $969,687.

Overall, these adjustments have no impact on the PPS’s appropriations, which would remain at $106 million. It is the PPS’s intention not to seek additional funding, while maintaining a level of security service essential to the entire parliamentary community.

Mr. Speaker, this concludes the overview of the 2026–27 main estimates for the House of Commons and the Parliamentary Protective Service. We would be happy to answer your questions.

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Thank you so much.

Just to let the Speaker know, we typically give witnesses five minutes to speak. No one rose on a point of order, so just keep that in mind, should anyone in this room have an S.O. 31 coming up.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Provisions have already been made for that.

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

That's excellent news.

We'll now turn to Mr. Cooper for six minutes, please.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I'll address my questions to the table, so whoever wishes to answer is fine.

MPs are explicitly forbidden from benefiting from expenses that they charge to the House of Commons. Is that correct?

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Yes.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

That is precisely what MP Lori Idlout did when she expensed the House of Commons for gifts she purchased from a company of which she is the sole proprietor—Carvings Nunavut. She did so not once, not twice but on four separate occasions, with a total value of purchases of $1,756, which she charged to taxpayers.

Ms. Idlout says that she has since repaid the money. On what date was the money repaid?

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

I don't have that date specifically.

Eric Janse Clerk of the House of Commons

In my recollection, it was several days after.

Paul, do you know?

Paul St George Chief Financial Officer, House of Commons

I don't have the specific date with me.

11:15 a.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons

Eric Janse

We'll look as we continue with the questions, and we'll come back to that.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

My colleague Mr. Barrett wrote to the Speaker, as chair of the Board of Internal Economy, on March 14, 2026, to raise these inappropriate charges. Was the repayment after that letter?

11:15 a.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

She repaid the money only after she got caught, effectively, pocketing the money.

Whose name was on the repayment tendered? Was it Ms. Idlout, or was it some other person or entity?

11:15 a.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons

Eric Janse

I don't have that at hand. We'll have to find it and get back to you.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

If you could, undertake to do so.

When a member submits an office expense claim over $1,000 to the House of Commons, the member must personally approve the claim. Is that correct?

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

That's my understanding. That's what I do.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

That is correct.

On August 27, 2025, Ms. Idlout made a $1,380 purchase from her own company, which was then submitted to the House of Commons for reimbursement. To confirm, Ms. Idlout would have had to approve that $1,380 claim. Is that correct?

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

It would be logical to assume that, yes.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Additionally, Ms. Idlout made two other purchases, one of $150 from her own company in January 2025 and a $76 purchase from her own company on June 25, 2025, which were charged to her office budget. Were these gifts charged by Ms. Idlout personally or by a member of her staff acting with her delegated authority?

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

I wouldn't have those details.

11:15 a.m.

Clerk of the House of Commons

Eric Janse

Again, we'll have to look into it and get back to the committee.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

If you could, undertake to do so.

Ms. Idlout purchased these gifts just weeks before and weeks after last year's general election, which she won by only 41 votes. House policies provide that no single gift can cost more than $150. That means she had to have sold herself at least 12 separate gifts from her business to hand out. Do you have any information on who she gave these gifts to?