Evidence of meeting #25 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was federal.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Khadeeja Ahsan  Barrister and Solicitor, Staff Lawyer, South Asian Legal Clinic of Ontario
Stella Lord  Voluntary Coordinator, Community Society to End Poverty in Nova Scotia
Georgia Barnwell  Coordinator, Women's Centres Connect
Jennefer Laidley  Research and Policy Analyst, Income Security Advocacy Centre
James Hughes  Senior Fellow, The J.W. McConnell Family Foundation, As an Individual

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Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Mr. Chair, we don't have to vote.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Just give me a second.

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Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

I have a point of order, Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Okay, so we do have a motion on the floor to adjourn the debate on this, and—

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Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

That's what I want to speak to.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Sure.

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Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

We would like a recorded vote, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Fair enough.

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Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Mr. Chair, it's a dilatory motion. It's non-debatable.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

No one's debating.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

No one's debating. It's a vote.

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Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

It's a vote.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

We have to vote on it. The way you've put this forward, we have to vote on this now to end the debate. We would then go to vote on the motion that is on the floor. To get back to where we need to be in terms of witnesses, I'd like to suggest that we vote on the motion to adjourn the debate. All those in favour?

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Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

It's on that motion.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Yes, it's on that motion.

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Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

It's a recorded vote.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

All in those in favour?

(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3[See Minutes of Proceedings])

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Now to the motion of Mr. Poilievre. Again, this is just an open vote in terms of his motion. I need to read this.

The motion that is on the floor is:

That pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development—

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

As I understood Mr. Ruimy's motion, he moved to adjourn the debate, which doesn't necessarily mean that we go to a vote on the original motion.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Okay.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

It means that the debate ceases to proceed at this time, and perhaps at another time it could be revisited, but the vote on the motion is delayed until that happens.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

We can do that, and then we would just move on.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

We could move on then, yes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Are we in agreement that this is what we'll do?

Okay, fair enough.

Thank you, everybody.

Witnesses, I appreciate your patience and I do apologize for the delay, but we are moving on, and I believe to Mr. Ruimy.

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Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

So little time is left.

I'm going to focus on Ms. Laidley.

First of all, I want to recognize your work in the trenches. I think you're the kind of folks who we need here to help us understand in Canada what it is that we're trying to accomplish. I've got so much that I want to ask you, but Stats Canada, when we had them here, talked about measuring poverty using the LIM and the LICO. Are you familiar with those two? Okay.

My first question to you is, do you think that's sufficient for us, or does it really adequately measure poverty? Is there something else we should be looking at?