Evidence of meeting #8 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pandemic.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Margaret Gillis  President, International Longevity Centre Canada
Ken Forth  President, Foreign Agricultural Resource Management Services
Juliana Dalley  Staff Lawyer, Migrant Workers Centre
Kiran Rabheru  Board Chair, International Longevity Centre Canada
Jeff Preston  Assistant Professor, King's University College at Western University, As an Individual
Sylvain Lafrenière  Coordinator, Mouvement autonome et solidaire des sans-emploi - réseau québécois
Jennifer Robson  Associate Professor, Carleton University, As an Individual

5:55 p.m.

Staff Lawyer, Migrant Workers Centre

Juliana Dalley

We are recommending that workers be granted access to permanent residency in Canada. This would allow them to remain in Canada and have the same rights and benefits that we as Canadians expect. They would have the option to change employers if they are experiencing abusive working conditions. This secure status would give them a greater ability to speak up about abusive working conditions. It would allow them to be with their families in Canada. Many of these workers are separated from their families for many, many months of the year.

Overall, this is something we need to do because of COVID-19 but also beyond COVID-19, because we rely on these workers and this workforce. This may in fact lead to a more secure workforce for the future in Canada if these workers are permitted to stay.

5:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you, Ms. Dalley.

Thank you, Ms. Chabot.

Next we have Ms. Kwan for six minutes, please.

5:55 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to all of our witnesses.

Ms. Dalley, on the question of migrant workers and undocumented individuals, one of the issues in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic is that some of them may have lost their jobs and their status. The timing was such that those two things literally collapsed together in the same time frame.

If you lose your job and your work permit expires, you cannot renew, because your employer-specific status will not allow you to renew. To that end, do you think one way to deal with it would be for the government to allow people who have expired SIN numbers to collect CERB? Is that something you would recommend?

6 p.m.

Staff Lawyer, Migrant Workers Centre

Juliana Dalley

Yes, certainly. We would recommend that people with expired SINs be able to access benefits.

Many of these workers have been working in Canada. They've been contributing to the labour market. Like many other Canadians, they are in this unprecedented crisis and, having lost their jobs, they deserve access to the same income supports that others can access. Allowing this for workers with expired SINs, or allowing people to apply for a temporary SIN without proof of status, are measures that we would recommend.

We would also recommend that people be able to apply for open work permits, which would also both facilitate access to income support and, even more so, allow people to return to the labour force and actually work in some of these jobs where there are labour shortages.

We would recommend both of those measures.

6 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you.

In fact, one issue for people who have a work permit that's going to expire is that IRCC is experiencing difficulties in processing, hence there are delays. As a result, people are really left out in the cold.

Would you recommend that IRCC actually automatically extend people's work permits during this period and in fact open it up from an employer-specific work permit to a open work permit?

6 p.m.

Staff Lawyer, Migrant Workers Centre

Juliana Dalley

We would recommend that measure. This would be an efficient and timely way of allowing workers to maintain their status and to return to work as quickly as possible. The problem, as you've alluded to, is that when a worker is waiting for a change in work permit conditions or an extension of their work permit to process, they cannot work for anyone other than the employer listed on their work permit. If they've lost that job, they have no way of supporting themselves and their families.

Allowing workers to access open work permits, including by automatically renewing expiring work permits to open work permits, would be a quick and efficient way for those workers to return to work in available jobs, maintain their status in Canada and continue to work and support themselves.

6 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you very much.

I have just one last quick question on this topic. As another way for the government to ensure that undocumented workers are staying safe—and not just for themselves, but in the spirit of flattening the curve for everyone else as well—what about the government utilizing the ITNs so that people can get financial support during this difficult period?

6 p.m.

Staff Lawyer, Migrant Workers Centre

Juliana Dalley

I think we would support the government making that financial support available to workers, both undocumented and documented workers, by any means necessary. If it's simpler for the government to use the ITN, we don't see an issue with that, as long as workers can access the financial support they deserve.

6 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you very much.

I'm going to turn to the question of seniors now for a minute. We know that with the care facilities, part of the issue is that there are no national standards, if you will, in long-term care facilities. That happened in B.C. as well, where there were a lot of long-term care facilities privatized. People were forced to work in unsafe conditions and sometimes in multiple facilities.

As a quick question on that, Ms. Gillis, I think I heard you say that we need to actually have national standards for long-term care facilities across the country. Did I hear you correctly on that?

6 p.m.

President, International Longevity Centre Canada

Margaret Gillis

Yes. I think that's an absolutely excellent idea. For all of these issues, all of the questions you have asked me really link back to the issue of rights and doing what's right and what people need.

National standards are one great example, but I'm going to go back to the point that, honestly, I think we need to start thinking about older people in a whole different way. We need to address ageism. That comes out in all of the ways that long-term care has been handled, with the defunding of it and the problems with workers. They're all connected.

I would take it back to “let's get a convention”. Let's treat these people as rights holders, and let's make everybody think before they make decisions on seniors that lead to problems like those we see today.

6:05 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you.

Before my time runs out, I will note that in the interim we have a situation where a lot of seniors are very worried about their GIS. Even though the deadline to file income taxes has been moved to the end of June, people may not be able to get their taxes filed in time. During this period, would you suggest that the government should simply grandfather people for this year for the GIS so that they would not be penalized if they don't get their income taxes filed in time?

6:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

A short answer, please.

6:05 p.m.

President, International Longevity Centre Canada

Margaret Gillis

I don't have a lot of knowledge of the GIS and that whole process, but here's what I'm going to say. I think whatever we can do to help seniors, particularly those living in poverty, we need to assist them in every way that we can.

6:05 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you very much.

6:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you, Ms. Gillis, and thank you, Ms. Kwan.

This completes our first round. I want to offer a sincere thank you to all of the witnesses for being with us. Your testimony has been extremely helpful.

We're now going to suspend briefly while we do a mike check for the second panel of witnesses.

Have a good evening, everyone, and thanks for joining us.

MPs, we'll be back shortly.

We're suspended.

6:13 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

We are now back in session and would like to welcome our second panel.

Appearing as individuals, we have Dr. Jeff Preston from King's University College at Western University and Dr. Jennifer Robson from Carleton University.

Finally, we welcome the coordinator of the Mouvement autonome et solidaire des sans-emploi, Sylvain Lafrenière.

We will now proceed with your opening remarks.

Dr. Preston, you have the floor for 10 minutes.

May 4th, 2020 / 6:13 p.m.

Dr. Jeff Preston Assistant Professor, King's University College at Western University, As an Individual

Thank you. Good evening.

To start, I would like to thank you for inviting me to provide comments and suggestions to this committee.

A rally cry of the disability rights movement is to say “Nothing about us without us”, and consultations such as this are an important part of giving a voice to a population that historically has been spoken for rather than collaborated with.

My name is Jeff Preston. I'm an assistant professor of disability studies at King's University College at Western University in London, Ontario, which is situated on the traditional lands of the Anishinaabek, Haudenosaunee—

6:13 p.m.

Bloc

Louise Chabot Bloc Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Mr. Chair...

6:13 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Just a second, Dr. Preston.

6:13 p.m.

Bloc

Louise Chabot Bloc Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

I am not hearing the interpretation.

6:13 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Okay.

Can we fix Ms. Chabot's issue?

6:13 p.m.

Sylvain Lafrenière Coordinator, Mouvement autonome et solidaire des sans-emploi - réseau québécois

It was the same for me too.

6:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Dr. Preston, the floor is yours. I'm sorry for the interruption.

6:15 p.m.

Assistant Professor, King's University College at Western University, As an Individual

Dr. Jeff Preston

No problem.

As I was saying, I am an assistant professor of disability studies at King's University College at Western University in London, Ontario, which situated on the traditional lands of the Anishinaabek, Haudenosaunee, Lunaapéewak and Attawandaron peoples.

My research and teaching practice at King's seeks to excavate the cultural construction of disabled subjects and the ways that popular culture and policy frameworks naturalize and reinforce sane, masculine and able-bodied supremacy. I am also a person born with a physical impairment, a rare form of muscular dystrophy, who identifies proudly as a disabled person. I have used an electric wheelchair since early childhood to make trouble in our world.

While the global COVID-19 pandemic has only recently been recognized as a world-altering event in need of critical resources and policy redeployment, the virus has been on my mind since it has spread beyond the borders of China. COVID-19 represents a unique, exigent and existential threat for someone like me with muscular dystrophy, a disease that most often proves fatal due to pneumonia. With lungs that function at approximately 30%, it is unlikely that I would survive this virus. It is for this reason that I have been attempting to live in relative isolation since early March. But this attempt has proven uniquely challenging, given the fact that I cannot physically live independently. Significant reduction in muscle mass means that I cannot provide for myself the day-to-day requirements of life, from eating to hygiene to repositioning at night. All of these things require daily care routines, tasks that are all delivered in close proximity.

My PSWs, funded through the self-directed funding program in Ontario, drift in and out of my orbit throughout the day. Many of my PSWs are reliant on public transit, as their low wages can make personal vehicle ownership a luxury out of reach after covering the costs of living. At any moment, my staff could accidentally bring the virus into my home and, because of PPE and sanitizer shortages, I have struggled to erect adequate barriers between me and the outside world. At times, my catching the infection seems like an inevitability.

Aside from the obvious physical and viral challenges of COVID-19, a nagging terror felt by me and many of my friends with impairments revolves around whether or not care will be delivered should we become infected. As the primary fear of imminent death slowly burns away, I, like many others with underlying medical conditions, now fear that the illness is not the only thing that may end our lives during this pandemic. Failing support systems may be just as deadly.

For someone like me, the COVID-19 pandemic draws into focus the feeble and unwinding threads of sociomedical entanglements that struggle, at the best of times, to carry the weight of my disabled existence. Access to technicians able to service my adaptive devices, from my electric wheelchair to my cough-assist machine, becomes fraught in a world of social distancing. Early in the pandemic, the ADP, the assistive devices program in Ontario that funds the purchase and repair of this equipment, was deemed non-essential and shuttered.

If I catch the virus, workplace safety standards will require all of my staff to wear non-existent PPE to continue to safely deliver care in-home. If I'm hospitalized, strict visitation restrictions will mean that I will lose access to my support team, becoming fully dependent on overworked nurses to provide the near 24-7 care that I cannot do for myself.

As we heard several weeks ago, in British Columbia, in the case of Ariis Knight, admission to hospital could mean profound isolation, being cut off not just from social contact but also from the delivery of necessary hour-to-hour care that keeps us safe from a whole host of other comorbid threats to body and mind.

We are told that, depending on our ability to flatten the curve, hard decisions will need to be made about who can and who cannot be saved. We may be asked to debate the value of a person to determine how productive or survivable one must be to merit receiving care. Those of us most at risk, disabled people and seniors, are now facing the cultural and legal pressures of necropolitics, asked to sacrifice ourselves for the benefit of those deemed more valuable. While we may have vilified the word “eugenics” after the Second World War, the ideology remains alive and well in Canada, lurking under the auspices of triage and the way of nature.

In the here and now, what do disabled people in Canada urgently need? The answer to that question is absolutely massive, but I do have several recommendations derived from my own experience and those whom I am in contact with.

First, I think it is vitally important, in overt and unequivocal opposition to eugenic rationalities, that the Canadian government affirm the rights of Canadians with disabilities to fair and equal access to medical care and prohibit any type of value or quality-of-life-based triaging of medical equipment or supplies. These types of policies, I believe, are antithetical to the spirit of the open, diverse and caring country we have tried to build over the past century. Remember, without disabled Canadians, the world would not have marathons of hope, a newscaster turned lieutenant governor, or the Back to the Future trilogy.

We must also ensure that, once a vaccine is developed, distribution is prioritized to those most in need, such as front-line workers and those with underlying conditions, and not just based on economic or productive value.

To ensure the safe isolation for those needing in-home care, easy and affordable access to personal protective equipment is critical, including masks, gloves, and alcohol-based sanitation supplies. We also need to consider increasing funding support for the types of increased care that may be needed at this time, as some tasks that were previously able to be done independently may now require help from the outside. I believe that we need to validate in-home care staff and family caregivers as vital members of an individual’s health care team—not as a social visitor—who can provide important additional support in a time when our hospitals struggle with capacity issues.

We must secure our long-term care facilities to prevent the spread of the virus from unit to unit and from facility to facility. Supporting provincial efforts to care for the caregivers is critical, including increasing PSW staffing numbers and providing regular paid time off for recharging of batteries or fighting off sickness. Scaling up the number of people working in these roles, I believe, is critical. This also means, though, a need to re-examine past practice where we warehoused disabled people of all ages in medical facilities, not because they need medical care but because of a lack of affordable accessible housing.

We need to ensure access for those seeking cognitive, intellectual and emotional therapies or services for pre-existing or newly developing mental illness or distress. Many of these services were deemed non-essential in the early days of the pandemic, with hospital resources being redeployed elsewhere, but it is important for us to get these services back online quickly for those who really do depend on these services and programs.

I think we should also reflect on the federal government’s determination that those without work need about $2,000 per month plus up to $1,000 in earnings to weather the storm. Meanwhile, programs like the ODSP in Ontario have long expected disabled people to subsist on a little over $1,000 a month. Why is the cost of living for those with and without a disability presumed to be so different? What does this tell us about the fairness of these programs that are aimed to provide a life for those unable to labour in a physically or attitudinally inaccessible economy?

When I was young, I loved to play with Lego, but not really the building part. I wasn't very good at that, but I was really good at tearing things apart. There’s something really special or magical about those moments, not just the wanton destruction, but because of what it signals, that in the ruins of the destroyed project lay the building blocks of the next great edifice.

In confronting this threat, we need to ask ourselves not just how we survive today but how we will live with ourselves once it has passed. COVID-19 may mean that the world we knew several months ago is gone, but maybe that isn't all bad news.

What if in post-COVID Canada we spent more time enabling people rather than disabling them? What if we reimagine our health care systems to be ones of plenty and not austerity? What if the flexible and digital work arrangements currently offered to non-disabled employees were extended permanently for employees with disabilities who have long been asking for this type of access? What if we provided Canadians with the things they need to thrive, regardless of their cognitive or physical ability?

I look forward to imagining some of these possibilities with all of you today.

Thank you.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you, Dr. Preston.

We'll move to Dr. Robson, please, for 10 minutes.