Evidence of meeting #31 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was applications.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Claudette Deschênes  Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Chaplin
Imran Qayyum  Chair, Canadian Migration Institute
Marc Audet  Vice-Chair, Immigrant Investor Program, Desjardins Trust

October 29th, 2009 / 10:55 a.m.

Conservative

Alice Wong Conservative Richmond, BC

I have two questions.

You mentioned China, both of you, that it is the fastest-growing source of our immigrants, actually not only in the investor class but in all classes. In fact, the government has just opened two trade commission offices, and four more will be opened very soon. Do you think these offices will also give the potential investors a better understanding of the actual economic situation, as well as business opportunities in Canada, and then also encourage them to come over as business investors?

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Vice-Chair, Immigrant Investor Program, Desjardins Trust

Marc Audet

I don't think it is actually the mandate of any CIC office around the world to do promotion. Actually, we asked them a couple of times to come to us to explain and so on. It's more that each province will do that. Each province tries to attract immigrants on their own--such as Ontario and Vancouver--through their own strategies. But with the present inventory, I don't think they want to try to promote anything. They want to digest what they have for the moment, so that's the situation.

That's a part of my job, to promote the program. I'm promoting Quebec and the federal program. I go overseas and work with agents. That's part of our job, and I think we're doing so well that we create the backlog, because our model.... If you talk with people from America, from Homeland Security, for example, they are jealous of our system, our requirements and the benefits we can give and so on, as compared with their own program. I think they are working on some things to compete with us, because if we receive more or less 10,000 applications a year, as investors...actually last year, I think they received less than 1,000--I think 800--applications in America. There should be ten times that. They should receive 100,000 for their country, so there is something wrong.

That's the reason why I say we have to adjust, be ready for what is coming, because our real competitor is not only Quebec and federal together. No, we have to be together to compete with America.

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Conservative

Alice Wong Conservative Richmond, BC

In other words, we suffer because of our success, because of how popular our programs are, and how positively the government has been acting in order to facilitate new immigrants coming into Canada.

Now, earlier on--

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

No, I'm afraid we're going to have to stop.

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Conservative

Alice Wong Conservative Richmond, BC

No time?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

No.

We've come to an end. We have a couple of minutes left to give to Ms. Mendes, but before we do, I want to be sure that the three critics and Mr. Dykstra, as the parliamentary secretary, will meet at their discretion and one of the four of you will inform the chair what you want at future meetings.

Ms. Mendes, you have the floor for a question.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

A very quick question, yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I want to come back to you, Mr. Audet.

Your table is extremely well done. I assume that you got it from Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

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Vice-Chair, Immigrant Investor Program, Desjardins Trust

Marc Audet

It comes from their Web site.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

In the skilled worker category, the rate is -18% as compared with 2005.

Do you know why that is? We had implemented Bill C-50, which was supposed to speed up the process for skilled workers.

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Vice-Chair, Immigrant Investor Program, Desjardins Trust

Marc Audet

Unfortunately, that is not my area of expertise. I specialize in immigrant investors. Imran might be able to address that.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Do you have data on the entrepreneur category?

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Vice-Chair, Immigrant Investor Program, Desjardins Trust

Marc Audet

Entrepreneurs fall under a program that is being phased out.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Yes, I see that.

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Vice-Chair, Immigrant Investor Program, Desjardins Trust

Marc Audet

We have statistics on investors.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Why is the entrepreneur program being phased out?

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Vice-Chair, Immigrant Investor Program, Desjardins Trust

Marc Audet

Because it is very difficult to meet the criteria. These people come here and have to start a business. They are coming to a new country. We, Canadians, have difficulty starting a business. Imagine what it's like for somebody who comes from abroad and who does not know how our legislation or accounting system works. They are completely in the dark. It is extremely difficult.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

I do not know whether Mr. Qayyum—

Mr. Qayyum, do you have an explanation why 18% fewer skilled workers are being admitted compared to 2005?

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Chair, Canadian Migration Institute

Imran Qayyum

I'm not familiar with the numbers you're looking at, Ms. Mendes.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

They are CIC numbers. I was just asking if you knew about them.

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Chair, Canadian Migration Institute

Imran Qayyum

I don't believe any Bill C-50 numbers have been published yet because it's still too early. When we're back here on November 20 we will be meeting with CIC, and we've asked them for processing.

I can tell you that we recently visited the regional program centre in Buffalo, New York. We were able to see the way the files are scheduled. They were just about to start Bill C-50, so things will be moving along.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

So we don't have the numbers yet.

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

I think we'll conclude the questions.

Mr. Qayyum and Mr. Audet, thank you for coming and making your presentations to the committee.

Mr. Qayyum, you indicated you may have further written material. If you could make that available to the clerk, he will have it translated into English and French.

Mr. Audet, the same applies to you.

On behalf of the committee, I thank you very much for coming.

The chair also notes that the way the questions are going, the government is not being treated the same as everyone else. I ask all of you to think about what is fair for all members of the committee.

This meeting is adjourned.