Evidence of meeting #31 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was applications.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Claudette Deschênes  Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Chaplin
Imran Qayyum  Chair, Canadian Migration Institute
Marc Audet  Vice-Chair, Immigrant Investor Program, Desjardins Trust

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Stop the clock, Chair, please.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

There's a point of order. We'd better stop the clock here.

You have a point of order, sir?

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

Devinder Shory Conservative Calgary Northeast, AB

I'm just a visitor today.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

You cannot make a point of order.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

I'm sorry, sir, go ahead.

9:20 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

Maybe I could give a bit of an explanation of what affects processing times.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

I'm just telling you that in those posts that applicants are coming from, your department seems to be using a very heavy-handed approach in having people wait so long, especially in Nairobi. It's 92% and 114% and 73%. Why? If you know there is turbulence there, why are you not allocating extra staff?

9:25 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

Mr. Karygiannis, I think you know that we have the staff that we have, and we also have a number of priorities in terms of family class, in terms of skilled workers, and in terms of provincial nominees, and we try to balance all of that.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Ms. Deschênes, what is more important than spouses and children?

9:25 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

The complexity of spouses and children changes according to where they're coming from. I think you know that, and some cases are more difficult in terms of needing interviews. In other cases, we can do without interviews. For some cases, there are more medical problems than in other places, so sometimes medicals--

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

You're trying to tell me that there are more medical problems in Nairobi than there are in Russia?

9:25 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

In Nairobi there's also the issue of correspondence and being able to reach people and getting people. A large number of people miss their interviews. We are trying.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

What's changed in two years, from 2006 to 2008?

9:25 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

Certainly in Nairobi, there was a period of time when the office, because of the situation in Nairobi, could not process cases, couldn't get out to do area trips. There was an incident that happened over that period of time. That caused some problems. You will remember that processing time is not only the time it takes to process the case, but it starts from the time the case arrives at a mission.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

What is happening in Kingston, Jamaica, where it goes from eight months to 14 months?

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

This will have to be your last question, Mr. Karygiannis.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

A 75% increase and a 50% increase. What happened in Kingston, Jamaica?

Okay, I'll give you Nairobi.

What happened in Kingston, Jamaica? I'll tell you what happened. They're black and you don't want them in.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

What?

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We're going to move on to Ms. Thi Lac.

A point of order, Mr. Young.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

Terence Young Conservative Oakville, ON

Mr. Chair, I've sat on committees at Queen's Park, and on Parliament Hill here now for a year, and I find it so embarrassing when Mr. Karygiannis bullies and interrupts the people who come here to give us information. There is such a thing as common courtesy.

Thank you.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Mr. Chair, if I made a derogatory remark, allow me to apologize. Let me rephrase this. These are African--

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

No, no, you're not....

We're on this point of order.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

On the point of order, I used the wrong word and I want to apologize to the department. However, I do want to point out to the department that these are African people who are coming in and maybe we should look at expediting this thing.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Ms. Thi Lac, you have the floor for seven minutes.

October 29th, 2009 / 9:25 a.m.

Bloc

Ève-Mary Thaï Thi Lac Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC

Ladies, thank you for being here this morning to discuss processing times for the immigration applications you receive.

You referred to the action plan for faster immigration. You said that, since February 2008, more than 240,000 applications were received, that you have processed 100,000 of them, and that only 8,000 visas have been issued to skilled workers.

Did you really mean 8,000 visas out of 100,000 applications?