Evidence of meeting #84 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.
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5:25 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
I am going to remind members that we have been here since Tuesday morning at 8:45 with a few breaks. I know that when it gets around supper time people get a bit testy. I'm going to ask all of us to take a deep breath and let's have an om moment. Let's try to get on with the proceedings of the day and move on.
The chair is doing her very best to be fair and to keep everything convivial. I'm ruling with the books that we have.
5:25 p.m.
Conservative
Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON
The only point I'm going to return to is that as I understood your ruling, it was to ask Rathika to explain how she was going to link Australian citizenship and Canadian citizenship to the bill before she started talking about Australia. That's what I thought you asked her to do.
5:25 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
What I've asked her to do is to make the linkage. That's what I've asked her to do.
Ms. Sellah, is this a point of order?
5:25 p.m.
NDP
Djaouida Sellah NDP Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC
Madam Chair, since I have been here, I haven't understood the interruptions. Every time my colleague tries to finish her speech, there is always someone from the other side trying to find reasons to interrupt her. However, the committee is sitting right now at their request, so that we can discuss the issue further. It would be good for everyone that we let her continue her speech and that we not get her off track.
5:25 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
Ms. Sellah, I want to thank you for your comment, but it's not a point of order.
We will proceed.
Once again, as the chair said previously, people are getting a little bit hungry maybe, maybe sugar levels are low. As a result, I believe there are fruit and snacks at the back. I know there's lots over there, and I'm so glad there's not lots over here.
I would urge people to remember we're here to debate a motion. We all know what the motion is. I think I've read it out enough times. I would urge people to get on with the debate.
I'm going to go back to Ms. Sitsabaiesan.
I'm hoping I will not have to interrupt you in the near future.
5:25 p.m.
NDP
Rathika Sitsabaiesan NDP Scarborough—Rouge River, ON
Thank you, Madam Chair.
The motion is to extend our study period of Bill C-425 for another 30 days. I'm making arguments as to why the discussion we've already had on this bill in committee is sufficient, that the consideration we've had of this private member's bill was thorough, and that we do not need more time to study it. It seems the members of the Conservative Party seem to be of the same mind, that they don't need me to continue to prove to them that we don't need more study time on this.
Since they also seem to feel that we don't need to extend the time, I now move, Madam Chair, that the committee adjourn until June 21, 2013.
5:25 p.m.
NDP
5:30 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
Okay, debate has started.
Give the chair a moment. A motion has been moved. I have called debate.
5:30 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
You will get a point of order.
But for debate, Mr. Harris's hand was up, and I saw lots of other hands up too on this side. Mr. Harris was first, then we had Mr.Dykstra, then we had Mr. Lamoureux, then we had—
5:30 p.m.
Conservative
5:30 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
Okay—then we had Ms. Sellah.
Anybody else? Mr. Leung.
Please hold on one second because we're going to get clarification. I'm learning as well. What I would like to know before I can confer with the clerk is what Ms. Sitsabaiesan said.
5:30 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
Please say it in a way so I have time to write it down.
5:30 p.m.
NDP
Rathika Sitsabaiesan NDP Scarborough—Rouge River, ON
Thank you, Madam Chair.
I would like to move an amendment to the motion that's on the floor right now.
5:30 p.m.
An hon. member
It's not an amendment. You're moving a motion.
5:30 p.m.
NDP
Rathika Sitsabaiesan NDP Scarborough—Rouge River, ON
I would like to move that the committee do now adjourn until June 21, 2013.
5:30 p.m.
NDP
Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL
In consideration of the motion, I wanted to refer the chair to page 1057 of O'Brien and Bosc, and in particular the section that talks about which motions are admissible and debatable, footnote 559.
5:30 p.m.
Conservative
5:30 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
The chair is going to ask for five minutes to be fair to everybody. I'm going to take the five minutes I need. Thank you.
5:30 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims
Five minutes are up.
The chair gets to decide. I have sought advice from our clerks as they are far more learned on this than I am. They have informed me that we do have a substantive motion on the table already. This particular motion is substantive for the simple reason that it puts a date, a condition, at the end. Because of that condition, it becomes substantive, and therefore it is not allowable under the order that we function under.
Therefore, I am ruling the motion inadmissible at this time. As long as the motion we are currently dealing with has not been dealt with, I cannot allow another substantive motion on the table. That is the advice I have been given, and I trust that advice.
We're back to you, Ms. Sitsabaiesan.
