Citizenship and Immigration Committee on June 13th, 2013

[Mylène Freeman, NDP, Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC]

I was actually going to speak to the same point of order, Chair. That is, I would agree with my colleague that the rule of repetition applies to the House, and that the only rules governing debate within committees are—

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Listen. You know what? Listen—

[Mylène Freeman, NDP, Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC]

I do have a point to make, that this committee does have the ability to make its own practices and that the only way we can—

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Ms. Freeman, I've just made a ruling, and if you don't like what I've said, then you're quite free to challenge that ruling. If you want to challenge the ruling, challenge the ruling, and we'll have a vote. Otherwise I'd like to hear your comments as to whether or not the question should be put.

[Mylène Freeman, NDP, Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC]

Chair, I would like to amend the motion before us so that it reads that the question be put on June 21, 2013.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

We're on a previous question. You can't do that.

[Mylène Freeman, NDP, Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC]

Chair, I would like to challenge you on that. My belief is that the motion before us—

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

All right.

Shall the ruling of the Chairman be sustained?

[Some hon. members]

Agreed.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Opposed?

[Rathika Sitsabaiesan, NDP, Scarborough—Rouge River, ON]

I would like a recorded vote, please.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Sorry, you should have said that before we had the vote.

The ruling of the Chair is—

[Rathika Sitsabaiesan, NDP, Scarborough—Rouge River, ON]

Point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

The ruling of the Chair is upheld.

Ms. Freeman, you have the floor.

[Rathika Sitsabaiesan, NDP, Scarborough—Rouge River, ON]

Mr. Chair, on a point of order, I was actually waiting and the chair did not call a vote. A calling of the vote is, “all those in favour” and “all those opposed”. That did not happen so I requested a recorded vote before that occurred.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

You're right.

I'll withdraw what I just said.

Shall the ruling of the chair be sustained? Madam Clerk, we'll have a recorded vote.

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 6; nays 5)

Ms. Freeman, you have the floor.

[Mylène Freeman, NDP, Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC]

Chair, I would like to clarify where we are right now.

Are we debating whether the question be now put?

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Yes.

[Mylène Freeman, NDP, Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC]

Chair, I think over and over again, I have been refused the ability to speak this morning. This has been extremely frustrating for me. I believe that I have had many good reasons to bring up the points of debate that I have brought up. Unfortunately, I have been overruled several times. I think you will also see that I have not had the opportunity to speak to this question yet, and that is why I had moved that we extend the debate on it. I was not able to put forward my arguments on that or why—

[Rick Dykstra, Conservative, St. Catharines, ON]

On a point of order.

Actually, you did. You had a member who had replaced you—I'm not saying that you weren't here—but there was someone who actually did speak for over three hours. So you actually had three hours of time. I'm not sure about the point Ms. Freeman is making that she didn't have time, because she actually had a lot of time.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Ms. Freeman, you have the floor.

[Mylène Freeman, NDP, Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC]

Chair, on that point of order—

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

I said you had the floor and you continue debating whether or not the question should be put. That's what I'm looking forward to hearing your comments on. The committee would like to hear what you have to say.

[Mylène Freeman, NDP, Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC]

Chair, I would like to clarify that that was a subamendment that was debated in my speaking time last Thursday—

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Ms. Freeman, before I let you speak on your point of order, I want to make it quite clear. I don't know how many times I have said this, but three times and you're out. You're getting very close to the third time.

The question we're debating is not what went on. The question is, do you or do you not support whether or not the question should be put, and that's what I'd like to hear.

Point of order, Mr. Menegakis.