Evidence of meeting #18 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was woman.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mohammad Khan  President, Muslim Canadian Congress
Avvy Yao-Yao Go  Clinic Director, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic
Christine Straehle  Professor, Faculty of Social Sciences, University of Ottawa, As an Individual
Katie Rosenberger  Manager, Counselling Services, DIVERSEcity Community Resources Society
Khadija Darid  Director General, Espace féminin arabe
Shirin Mandani  Executive Director, Reh'ma Community Services
Talat Muinuddin  President, Reh'ma Community Services
Swarandeep Virk  Counsellor, DIVERSEcity Community Resources Society

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Good afternoon. This is the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, meeting number 18, Tuesday, April 1, 2014. According to the orders of the day, we are studying a report on strengthening the protection of women in our immigration system. This meeting is televised.

As you know, or maybe you don't know, the bells are going to ring at 5:15, so we will cut short both the first and the second hour. The first hour will end at 4:20.

We have three witnesses.

Representing the Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic, we have Ms. Go.

We have a professor from the University of Ottawa, Christine Straehle.

We have the president of the Muslim Canadian Congress, Mohammad Khan.

Good afternoon. You each have up to eight minutes to speak.

Mr. Khan, we will have you go first.

3:35 p.m.

Mohammad Khan President, Muslim Canadian Congress

Honourable members of the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, thank you for giving the Muslim Canadian Congress the opportunity to speak on a matter that affects many members of our community and has contributed to the rise of gender apartheid within many Muslim households.

We are deeply concerned that despite the advances made in ensuring gender equality in mainstream Canadian society, the values have not filtered down and at times have not been embraced by new Canadians who migrate here with deep-seated beliefs in the second-class status of women in society.

We are glad that your committee is looking into ways to rectify this situation. In view of this question, we have the following recommendations.

To ensure that sponsored spouses have the skills they need to succeed in Canada, it is imperative that they possess a working knowledge of one of Canada's official languages. It is our experience that spouses who arrive in Canada without the ability to speak either English or French find it very difficult to be productive members of society and therefore live at home at the mercy of their spouses.

In order to better prevent vulnerable women from being victimized by abusive sponsors, we recommend that each arriving spouse be properly debriefed as a new immigrant about their rights and duties, and about Canadian values. This would ideally be handled by government agencies. We strongly recommend that the government facilitate the creation of a volunteer network of second-generation Canadian women and not fall into the trap of creating NGOs or paid groups.

To ensure that vulnerable spouses are protected and have the skills they need to succeed independently, it is crucial that they have the necessary language skills, the social network, and a knowledge of their individual human rights.

If these prerequisites are not met, the task of protecting newly arrived spouses from abuse will become difficult.

With regard to forced marriages, forced marriage is a violation of fundamental rights and the right to self-determination. One of the under-reported tragedies of Canada's spousal sponsorship scheme is the issue of forced marriages of Canadian girls and young women by their parents, as was witnessed in the recent honour killing of Toronto's Shaher Bano Shahdady, who was murdered by her husband after being brought here following a forced marriage by her parents.

According to the report of the South Asian Legal Clinic of Ontario, which questioned 30 different social services agencies and found 219 cases of forced marriages between 2010 and 2012, parents, siblings, extended family, grandparents, and religious leaders were all involved in pushing individuals into forced marriage. In 66% of cases. there were cultural reasons, but honour, money, and immigration purposes were also behind some forced marriages.

Young girls are taken away from Canada by their parents under the excuse of a visit back home and are forced to marry cousins who are later sponsored to come to Canada. We recommend that in all such sponsorships, the young woman involved be interviewed in private and away from her parents or siblings to determine whether the marriage was forced on her against her will.

We recommend that forced marriage be considered a criminal offence for which the person responsible for such a conspiracy must face jail time.

The U.K. has established special units to provide a 24-hour hotline to the victims of forced marriages, and the UN has also taken initiatives to stop forced marriages.

On polygamy, we are concerned that despite polygamy being a criminal offence, it is gathering acceptance, mainly in Canada's Muslim community. The law is being blatantly ignored, with serious consequences for the second and in some cases third wives who come to Canada as maids and house workers.

Unless these men who are carrying out this medieval practice and flouting the law are brought to justice and convicted, this trend will gain strength and validation from the clerics in our mosques, who have already given their nod of approval to this horrendous practice.

Thank you.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you, Mr. Khan, for your presentation. After we hear from the other speakers, we'll probably have some questions for you.

Ms. Go, welcome. You, too, have up to eight minutes to make a presentation to the committee.

3:40 p.m.

Avvy Yao-Yao Go Clinic Director, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic

Thank you.

My name is Avvy Go. I'm the clinic director of the Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic. We're a non-profit community organization that provides free legal services to low-income immigrants and refugees from the communities in Toronto.

We've been around since 1987, and over the 27 or so years, we have served tens of thousands of clients, many of whom are immigrant women, refugee women, and non-status women.

I would like to start by thanking the committee for giving me this opportunity to comment on this important issue as to how the government should strengthen the protection of women in our immigration system.

As mentioned in my written submission, I had the privilege of participating in a round table discussion that was hosted by Minister Alexander and Minister Leitch, so I'm somewhat familiar with some of the ideas they have proposed. I have only eight minutes to speak today, so I'm going to focus on just two of them. I will also add some recommendations of my own, which I would like you to consider.

I would like to start by giving an overview of the scope of the issue that we're talking about, which is violence against women in Canada. Obviously it's an issue that affects all women in Canada, whether they are Canadian-born or foreign-born.

Some of the stats I've cited—

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Ms. Go, if you could stick to new immigrants, we'd appreciate it.

3:40 p.m.

Clinic Director, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic

Avvy Yao-Yao Go

Sure. I understand, but we need to understand the context in which violence against women happens.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

I know, but this is not a subject about violence against women; it's an issue of how we can help women who are moving to this country. I would appreciate your comments on that.

3:40 p.m.

Clinic Director, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic

Avvy Yao-Yao Go

Yes, and to prevent violence from happening against these women. Right?

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Yes.

3:40 p.m.

Clinic Director, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic

Avvy Yao-Yao Go

Violence is happening in Canada to all women, no matter if they are immigrants or if they are Canadian-born, as some of the stats in my paper show, including the fact that every six days a woman in Canada is killed by her intimate partner.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Ms. Go, I'm sorry, I want you to stick....

I appreciate your thoughts. They may be very valid, but what we're studying here is the issue of new immigrant women to Canada.

3:40 p.m.

Clinic Director, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic

Avvy Yao-Yao Go

Right, and the study I'm quoting actually includes new immigrant women, as well.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

If you could stick to that, I'd appreciate it.

3:40 p.m.

Clinic Director, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic

Avvy Yao-Yao Go

Yes, sure.

One of the studies I have included is a study from Statistics Canada which looked at measuring risks against women. They looked at aboriginal women, women who were born here, immigrant women, and women living in rural and urban areas. They found that education level and income have no bearing whatsoever on the risk faced by the women as to whether or not they will become victims of violence. They also found that actually immigrant woman have a lower risk of facing violence. Of course, there is a debate as to why that may be the case, but those are the statistics that are in front of you.

Given that violence against women in Canada is a Canadian issue and that education level and income level have no bearing on the risk of whether violence will take place, I appreciate the concern about sponsored immigrant women, but I'm just not sure whether this is where the focus should be in terms of imposing language requirements or imposing income requirements on spousal sponsorship. In particular, imposing a financial requirement on spousal sponsorship is not going to stop violence from happening. Rather, it would just have a discriminatory impact on who can apply to sponsor a spouse. Only those who are rich enough will be able to sponsor a spouse, and those who are poor will not be able to do that.

As to the language requirement or the education requirement, again the study doesn't show that education level will have any impact whatsoever on whether violence will take place. Rather than helping women, probably this requirement would just simply mean that fewer women will be able to come to Canada under the spousal sponsorship program because they are not able to meet the language requirement. It also sends a wrong message as if somehow the women themselves are to be blamed because if they had more education, then perhaps they wouldn't be abused, or if they spoke English, perhaps they would not be abused when in fact it has nothing to do with whether or not the abuse would have taken place.

There are other viable options for the committee to consider, and I will just name some of them.

First of all, on the conditional permanent resident regulations that came into effect in October 2012, I'm sure the committee has heard others comment on this. It actually put the lives of sponsored women in danger. Notwithstanding the exemptions that exist for cases of abuse and neglect, the reality is that many women who are abused will still be forced to choose between coming forward and reporting the abuse or staying in the abusive relationship, so that should go. Repeal that requirement and that will reduce violence.

Second, many immigrant women experience isolation due to a lack of family support. Oftentimes, in my experience serving some of these clients, the only family member they have in Canada is the husband who sponsored them, and in some cases it is the husband who is abusing them. In order to reduce the isolation, I would suggest reducing or eliminating the LICO, low-income cutoff, requirement for sponsorship in cases where women are subject to abuse.

Third, we have also seen cases where women are being sponsored within Canada by the spouse under the inland spousal sponsorship program. A lot of times the sponsorship has been revoked by the husband or the sponsor when women went to the police to report abuse. In those cases, women can seek permanent residence status under agency application, but that is completely at the discretion of the immigration officer. Even though, in theory, officers are supposed to be sensitive to the issue of violence, we have seen cases where violence has been proven and yet the women are still being denied landing in those kinds of situations. I would recommend a special program be created to address these issues to allow these women to stay in Canada in those kinds of situations.

I also think that more funding should be provided to community organizations. I agree that education is important. Resources are important. Women need to know where they can get help, and if those services can be made available in the first language they speak, it will assist these women as well, so support and settlement services for immigrant women should be maintained and should be strengthened.

Finally, I also believe, and I agree with the ministers, that employment opportunities for immigrant women will also be one way of strengthening their resolve. Many of them, because they're racialized, face additional barriers in accessing employment.

Perhaps something the government could do is to strengthen the Employment Equity Act at the federal level, but also work with the provinces to make it easier for some of these women, immigrants in general, to get recognition for their foreign credentials.

In closing, we have many ways we can protect these women. It is important to protect women from violence by ensuring that these women have access to unconditional permanent residence status without fear of removal when they report abuse and by providing them with financial, social, and familial support when they find themselves victims of violence.

Thank you.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you, Ms. Go.

Professor Straehle, thank you for coming. You are last to speak. You do have up to eight minutes.

April 1st, 2014 / 3:45 p.m.

Prof. Christine Straehle Professor, Faculty of Social Sciences, University of Ottawa, As an Individual

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm a professor at the graduate school of public and international affairs at the University of Ottawa.

My comments today are based on my work on Canada's immigration system and its effect on women in general, and vulnerable women in particular.

The remit of the committee as formulated in the invitation I received is to, “Look at ways to ensure sponsored spouses have the skills they need to succeed in Canada; and to examine how to better prevent vulnerable women from being victimized by an abusive sponsor in Canada”.

When looking at the situation of sponsored women in Canada, in particular those who fall under the provisions of the amendment to the Immigrant and Refugee Protection Act that stipulates conditional permanent residency for certain relationships, we have to distinguish three types of vulnerability to be able to articulate the measures necessary to protect women effectively.

The first kind of vulnerability is that of some women's lives in Canada. Many of your witnesses, including those who preceded me, so far have commented on the isolation and lack of integration many immigrant women experience, in particular those who lack language skills when coming to Canada. This vulnerability applies to women in forced marriages as much as it does to those women whose relationship status may be in question.

I believe it is fair to say that the NGOs invited so far, and no doubt those still come, have made a convincing case for the immediate measures that should be taken to address this specific kind of vulnerability. Such measures include access to immigration information in the language of origin, and ideally in the country of origin. They also include access to integration resources and skill development in Canada.

The second kind of vulnerability is that of women in general toward their sponsors. Here the fear is, as you have discussed before, that an abusive sponsor can exercise undue influence and power over a sponsored woman by threatening to cancel the sponsorship agreement. This situation is unrelated to the woman's language or professional skill level.

As one of your witnesses stated, educated women face this danger as much as those lacking in skills. The difference is, of course, that educated women will more likely have access to the kinds of resources that NGOs and the government provide to get out of abusive relationships. They will be able to report the abuse to the police, or find a network of support. Again, I refer here simply to the recommendations made so far to address this vulnerability.

The third kind of vulnerability is related to a woman's status as a permanent resident. This status may be put in jeopardy if the sponsor cancels the sponsorship agreement. This particular vulnerability is heightened by the fact that the onus lies on the woman to prove that, contrary to the sponsor's statement, the relationship was a bona fide one, or that the woman has been abused by the sponsor. If she's able to provide such proof, she will be entitled to the protection of the abuse clause in the conditional permanent residence amendment. She will be protected from being deported.

My concern is with this last kind of vulnerability. So far, many of your witnesses have underlined the difficulty of providing evidence of abuse, particularly, of course, if it is a case of psychological or financial abuse. Also, your witnesses from CIC and CBSA have testified that a lot of weight lies with the immigration officers who have to make a judgment call about whether or not abuse is actually taking place. I certainly believe that the officers in question will most often be sympathetic to the woman making the allegation of abuse; however, it remains that the burden of proof is on the individual woman.

Contrast this with the principles that have been adopted by the British forced marriage unit, FMU. This unit was put in place in 2005 to provide “practical support, information and advice to anyone who has been through or is at risk of a forced marriage.”

It's worth noting that the FMU is a joint initiative between the foreign and Commonwealth office and the home office. The FMU relies on a network of civil society organizations in its work, much as is the case with CIC when dealing with cases of forced marriage here.

When interacting with a potential victim, the FMU follows three principles: first, the victim has the right to be believed; second, show empathy and give confidence; and third, place the victim at the heart of the process. These three principles are worth emulating in the Canadian context, not only for suspected victims of forced marriages but also for suspected victims of sponsor abuse.

There are three reasons that the burden of proof on the individual woman needs to be lightened, or ideally, abolished.

First, as a society we accept the principle that a suspect is innocent until found guilty. Yet the suggestion in cases of suspected abuse is that the sponsored woman has to prove her innocence, which is to say she has to prove she has been abused in order not to be penalized for leaving the sponsorship relationship, which is to say in order not to be deported.

Second, we need to enable women to apply for permanent resident status independently, if need be. I support the suggestion made by your earlier witness, Heather Neufeld. This is necessary to avoid the risk of women falling through the cracks of the system, since the humanitarian and compassionate route to access independent resident status is not likely to be successful for lack of evidence that the woman in question is well established and socially integrated in Canada. Again, recall here the accounts that you have received of the isolation many women experience.

In this instance, Canada should adopt a policy akin to the U.S. self-petition procedure under the Violence Against Women Act. This procedure allows immigrant women access to the labour market. I've provided a fact sheet to the clerk, in case there's a need for further information. Instead of making such headway into integrating women into Canada, we embroil women in lengthy procedures to prove that they have been abused and that they're innocent of violating Canadian immigration law and therefore should not be deported.

Finally, I believe that any immigration policy needs to keep in mind the issue of civic integration and social cohesion over time. What signal are we sending as a community if we demand of an immigrant woman who aims to become a citizen of Canada that she has to prove her innocence to us to be allowed to join the social fabric? One of your earlier witnesses has warned of alienation of young people from immigrant backgrounds, but this is not the only alienation an undue burden of proof may generate.

Suspected victims of spousal abuse need to be given the benefit of the doubt of their innocence, and they need to be integrated into laws and policies that apply to Canadians, rather than being made to feel second class. The burden of proof that there was an attempt to circumvent Canadian immigration law needs to lie with CIC and CBSA.

Thank you.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you.

Those were excellent presentations from all three of you.

We have Mr. Leung as the first questioner. You have seven minutes.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Chungsen Leung Conservative Willowdale, ON

Thank you, witnesses, for appearing before us.

In Canada, a fairly modern state that has embraced multiculturalism and diversity, we have to deal with issues that are rooted in different cultures, different mores, and perhaps even practices that are foreign to us. We need to approach this by considering how we blend our society so we are a very successful modern state of diversity that can accommodate all these issues. The reason I'm saying this as a preamble is that I want to get into this issue of forced marriage as well as arranged marriage. As you know, in many societies around the world outside of North America, arranged marriages are quite common.

Given all of these differences and that very often a marriage of a woman from an immigrant culture is outside the traditional North American religions, mores, and cultural practices, should we treat this as an excluded marriage in our immigration system, so we do not subject a woman to abuse?

Should raising the age of consent be one solution? I'd like to hear your comments with respect to whether the forced marriage unit as adopted by the U.K. would be a solution for us to consider.

Let's hear from you first, Mr. Khan.

3:55 p.m.

President, Muslim Canadian Congress

Mohammad Khan

First of all we need to understand the different cultural practices taking place in different countries. Under that shelter many people use forced marriage, which is socially sanctioned in those societies.

Even recently a bill was passed in the Pakistan national assembly by the Council of Islamic Ideology that anyone can marry a woman who is seven years of age and up. This recommendation has been made by the Pakistan Council of Islamic Ideology. In defence of this recommendation they took the position that our prophet married seven- or nine-year-old A’ishah, so why can't we marry women of 12 or 16 years of age, and determining any age limit is not Islamic or is not rational according to them.

Similarly, polygamy is common there as well, as it is in most Arabic countries. They are already married with two or three wives when they move to Canada. First they pretend that they have one wife but when they come here, they use a different means to bring other wives to Canada as well. No one can challenge them under those religious practices, which are a violation of human rights and all that.

I agree that conditional permanent residence, which has been introduced here in Canada, is not empowering the woman. It is making women further vulnerable because it strengthens the sponsor. It's not strengthening the woman because the sponsor can revoke the sponsorship at any time.

I have come across a few cases where a woman is educated and the spouse was abusive and she tried to get out. The problem is that the social network they have around them is mostly the community social network. They end up at religious centres or community centres which misdirect and mislead them about cultural and religious variances in order to scare them from approaching any social assistance or any kind of assistance.

There should be education to brief the women about their rights, and permanent residence should not be revoked. It should not be conditional about the woman....

Also the cultural practices that are common in the different countries which are socially sanctioned there, such as honour killings and female genital mutilation, these are taking place here. Even in Canada some doctors are performing female genital mutilation.

We should take all these practices into consideration and try to encourage the woman so that she does not feel vulnerable. If she approaches anyone her permanent residence should not be cancelled.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Chungsen Leung Conservative Willowdale, ON

How can the immigration officers take a proactive step in determining whether it is a forced marriage or not before they even land on our shores?

4 p.m.

President, Muslim Canadian Congress

Mohammad Khan

If the woman can be separately interviewed away from her ethnic community, where she can easily communicate without being in the presence of her siblings, or spouse, or anyone, that could be one way to determine whether it is a forced marriage or not.

Also, in the U.K. they have introduced a practice that a woman can carry a spoon in her underwear and when she passes through the radar scanner, it starts buzzing. That would tell the immigration officers that the woman was taken from her country for forced marriage purposes.

There are different—

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We have to stop, Mr. Khan, and move on. I'm sorry.

Ms. Sitsabaiesan.

4 p.m.

NDP

Rathika Sitsabaiesan NDP Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

Thank you to all of our witnesses who are here today.

Mr. Khan, I'm going to continue a little bit on what you just spoke about. I only have a very short time so I'm going to ask for brief answers.

You spoke of the conditional permanent residence—and I'd like all of our witnesses to respond. You said that conditional permanent residence makes the women more vulnerable. It doesn't actually help the situation for the immigrant women who are coming into this country under the spousal sponsorship program.

My question for all three of you is, do you recommend that it should be abolished, the conditional PR process?

4:05 p.m.

President, Muslim Canadian Congress

4:05 p.m.

Clinic Director, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic