Citizenship and Immigration Committee on Dec. 2nd, 2025

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

First of all, I'm a little irritated that this was ruled out of order, because I think it is in alignment with the scope of the study, and we have to be consistent with these sorts of things. That's my primary irritation.

Second, I don't know why we immediately jumped into a filibuster.

I'd like to hear, on the record, what people's arguments are, so I can make a decision, because I thought we were working collegially. That's what I'd like to have happen.

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

Right now, I'm not hearing a will for us to suspend.

Ms. Sodhi, I have you next on the list.

[Amandeep Sodhi, Liberal, Brampton Centre, ON]

Madam Chair, can I give my time to my colleague, Mr. Fragiskatos?

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

I don't see why not.

Mr. Fragiskatos.

[Peter Fragiskatos, Liberal, London Centre, ON]

I think there have been some conversations.

I offer the following amendment: I move that “December 9, 2025” be changed to read “the week of December 8, based on witness availability”.

The second change would be, after “Peter Harder” in the second-last line, add “and other witnesses”.

I so move.

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

Is there any debate on that?

Ms. Rempel Garner.

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

I just have a question on the number of witnesses. If it is 100 witnesses, then there would be no rounds for questions.

Perhaps the two people who are negotiating this deal in front of me could understand if they are, in fact, allowing 100 witnesses to come and have no questioning, or not.

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe, you're next on the list.

[Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe, Bloc, Lac-Saint-Jean, QC]

I'm fine with that.

Do you have any names of witnesses to add? Otherwise, I'm fine with these amendments.

I accept the friendly amendment.

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

Ms. Rempel Garner.

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

I would subamend this to say that witness statements can take no longer than a maximum of 20 minutes in each hour in each panel, so that there are still rounds for questions.

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

Now we're discussing the subamendment.

[Peter Fragiskatos, Liberal, London Centre, ON]

Do we vote on the amendment first and then...?

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

That is why I went to the clerk to ask. I was told we deal with the subamendment first, which would make sense.

Are there any comments on the subamendment?

Could you repeat that please, Ms. Rempel Garner, just so that we can all absorb it ?

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

I would let the clerk take some liberty with the wording, but essentially, I don't want witness statements to exceed 20 minutes. The intent would be to allow ample time for question rounds in each hour.

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

Is that friendly to you, Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe?

It looks like the subamendment is good for Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe.

Is that good for you, Mr. Fragiskatos?

[Peter Fragiskatos, Liberal, London Centre, ON]

It's fine with me.

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

The subamendment looks like it's friendly.

Where are we on the amendment? It seems like it's good for Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe. It looks like it's good for Ms. Rempel Garner, and it was suggested by Mr. Fragiskatos.

Do we need to now have a vote on the whole motion, with the amendment and the subamendment, Mr. Clerk, or if everybody agrees...?

[Peter Fragiskatos, Liberal, London Centre, ON]

[Inaudible—Editor] amend, but our side is not ready to vote on the motion as amended. We can continue debate.

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

Who is next on the list?

[Peter Fragiskatos, Liberal, London Centre, ON]

Actually, it went from Mr. Zuberi to Ms. Sodhi and then back to me, but I think they still want to speak.

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

We are now speaking on the whole motion as amended.

The subamendment was agreed to by everyone, and then we went to the amendment, so my understanding is that everybody has agreed to the amendment.

We have not yet voted on the whole motion as amended and subamended.

[Salma Zahid, Liberal, Scarborough Centre—Don Valley East, ON]

Can the motion be read as amended, so that we are all clear?

[The Chair, Liberal, Julie Dzerowicz]

Mr. Clerk, are you able to read the whole motion as amended?

[The Clerk]

Right now, no. There were many friendly amendments, and some liberty was given to me to phrase it, so I cannot read it.