Evidence of meeting #34 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 39th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was housing.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Rosemary Bender  Director General, Social and Demographic Statistics, Statistics Canada
Marie Patry  Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Bonnie Charron

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

We could.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

The reason I'm asking is that the federal government says its primary focus is on status. Part of the challenge with that is that there's a piece of legislation called Bill C-31 from 1985 that, if it plays out under section 6.2, will see a radical decline in status. I wonder if you've considered that in the context of self-identification.

There are two different mechanisms for funding, if you see where I'm going. It's my understanding that self-identification doesn't drive the funding process; it's status that drives the funding process.

Have you done any analysis on whether Bill C-31 is going to impact on status?

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

We haven't done any analysis on that.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

On the Aboriginal Peoples Survey, I notice on page 12--and I don't know if this is specifically around the Aboriginal Peoples Survey--there's a note that says it excludes 30 non-participating reserves in the 2001 census.

I guess there are two questions. Do you have any sense of how many people potentially will not participate in the census who could self-identify? Second, what percentage of aboriginal people participated in this survey? Do you have any estimates on that?

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

We have an estimate of how many people from the reserves who refused to participate in the census, but my memory is failing me right now. I don't remember the number offhand, but we could provide it to you. We have an estimate of the number of missed people.

Concerning the number of people in the Aboriginal Peoples Survey, because we covered the population on-reserve as well outside the reserve, the sample in 2001 was around 120,000 aboriginal people.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Were they the ones who self-identified?

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

We surveyed the population that reported only aboriginal ancestry, as well as the population that reported identifying. But the sample for what we call the ancestry-only population was much smaller.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Is there a margin of error on that?

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

All our surveys provide margins of error.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

So we could get that one if we needed it.

Will you provide us with the census completion rates?

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

Yes, I will provide you with the number of missed people.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

As to the note on page 12 where it says it excludes 30 non-participating reserves in the 2001 census, was it just on that particular question?

11:35 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

I'm sorry, I missed the question.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

On the top of page 12, it says: “Note: Excludes 30 non-participating reserves in the 2001 Census”.

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

All the data that talks about reserves excludes the 30 missed reserves.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Were they missed because they elected not to participate? Okay.

You know there are at least 30 that elected not to participate, but then it's the participation rates of those living on-reserve who did.

What mechanism did you use? Was it door-to-door on reserve?

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

Yes, it was door-to-door.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

On the number of people on-reserve, your estimate is 30% of aboriginal people. On page 5, it says that three in ten aboriginal people live on-reserve. But again, that's of the self-identified group; it's not status versus non-status.

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Do you have the numbers of status versus non-status on-reserve? Can you identify status versus non-status on-reserve?

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

Yes, we can. As I explained earlier, you use people who said that first they were North American Indian, which is the terminology we use.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

You talk about registered versus non-registered, but can you actually give us the numbers of non-status people on-reserve?

11:40 a.m.

Assistant Director, Aboriginal Data, Social and Aboriginal Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Marie Patry

Yes, we can.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Could you supply that? I wouldn't mind seeing the non-status people on-reserve, because it's a funding formula issue.

That's it for me.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Colin Mayes

Thank you.

For the government side, we have Mr. Bruinooge.