Evidence of meeting #4 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was commission.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Caroline Davis  Assistant Deputy Minister, Resolution and Individual Affairs Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Paul Vickery  Director and Senior General Counsel, Department of Justice
Aideen Nabigon  Acting Executive Director, Truth and Reconciliation Commission

9 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Good morning.

This is the fourth meeting of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development.

Today we have presentations, briefings, for the first hour from the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development regarding the Indian residential schools section of the department.

Starting at 10 o'clock we'll be receiving a briefing on the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

We have two independent hours. We'll proceed through a first round for each.

We have with us this morning, for the first hour, Caroline Davis, assistant deputy minister for the resolution and individual affairs sector; Paul Vickery, who is acting director for policy; and Linda Barber, director general of policy and partnerships.

Ms. Davis will continue. We usually look to 10 minutes, followed by questions from members.

9 a.m.

Caroline Davis Assistant Deputy Minister, Resolution and Individual Affairs Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Thank you. Good morning.

I'd like to thank the chair and members of the committee for inviting us here today to talk about Indian residential schools and the work the government is doing to attempt to resolve the sad legacy the schools have left behind.

I would like to provide you a brief historical overview, and then describe the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement.

If I could correct the record, sir, I have Paul Vickery, who is senior general counsel of the Department of Justice; Linda Barber, who is director general of policy partnerships and communications; and Patricia Power, who is acting director of policy and strategic planning.

The three of us are with the resolution and individual affairs sector of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, and Paul is with the Department of Justice.

Following Confederation in 1867, the Government of Canada began to play a role in the development and administration of Indian residential schools. By the 1920s, the government had assumed control of the Indian residential schools operations, of which there were about 132 schools over time situated in seven out of 10 provinces and all three territories. In many cases the government operated the schools in partnership with religious organizations, and often employees of the government, including Indian agents and the RCMP, compelled attendance at the schools.

Aside from education, one of the stated intents of the Indian residential schools policy was to assimilate the children into the dominant culture. The policy resulted in over 150,000 children being removed from their homes and raised in isolation, away from the influence and comfort of their families, communities, traditions, and cultures. Conditions in the school were often quite harsh, and in some cases even abusive.

While most Indian residential schools ceased to operate by the mid-1970s, the last federally run school in Canada closed only in 1996.

On May 30, 2005, the Government of Canada appointed former Supreme Court Justice, the Honourable Frank Iacobucci, as the government's representative. His mandate was to lead discussions with legal counsel for former students, the Assembly of First Nations, and church entities toward a fair and lasting resolution of the legacy of Indian residential schools. These discussions culminated in the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement, which was signed by all parties and approved by the government on May 10, 2006.

All nine jurisdictional courts approved the agreement, and it would become the largest class action settlement in Canadian history. The agreement includes five components.

First of all, the Common Experience Payment, knowing as the CEP, provides a lump sum payment for the general experience of being removed from family, community and their care. This payment increases incrementally in relation to the duration of time spent at the school. A trust fund of $1.9 billion was established for the CEP.

The independent assessment process provides additional individual compensation for physical and sexual abuse under an alternative dispute resolution model. Awards range from $5,000 to $430,000.

Measures to support healing include a $125 million endowment to the Aboriginal Healing Foundation, and a Health Canada support program of $95 million over five years, which offers counselling and emotional support.

Twenty million dollars will be used to fund commemoration initiatives.

The last major component is the establishment of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, with a budget of $60 million.

I'll talk briefly about progress to date.

Implementation of the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement commenced on September 19, 2007.

In collaboration with Service Canada, 97,000 applications for common experience payments have been received for review by our office. Seventy-two thousand have been approved for payment, and cheques have been sent out amounting to $1.48 billion, which is an average of $20,500 per claimant. We have an extensive research team with access to a computer-assisted research system. They prepare careful decisions on each individual application.

To date, 20,000 people have been found to be ineligible, either because their school is not on the agreed upon list, because they were day school students, or because we were unable to find records of their attendance.

The government is making every effort to ensure former students receive the compensation for which they are eligible, including a reconsideration process. Twenty-two thousand people have applied for reconsideration, and we have completed 9,000 reviews. Assessment of applications is intended to confirm eligibility, not to reduce it.

In addition, applicants can appeal directly to the national administration committee in the event that their request for reconsideration has been denied, in whole or in part. The national administration committee oversees the implementation of the agreement on behalf of the courts. There have been 1,100 appeals made to date.

Recognizing the impact that the agreement would have, the Government of Canada established the Community Impacts Working Group in early 2006. The community coordinates and informs aboriginal communities and former students about the individual and collective elements of the agreement. We are planning the next meeting to take place in March.

A national Indian residential schools crisis line has been set up to provide support for former residential school students. The crisis line is staffed by trained counsellors who are available to answer calls from former students and their families, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. The phone number for the crisis line is 1-866-925-4419.

Should former students or their family members require additional support, they are referred to Health Canada's Indian residential schools resolution health support program, which was developed to support former students and their families through the implementation of the agreement.

At implementation date, the agreement included an agreed upon list of 130 institutions. All decisions on requests for the addition of institutions to the schools list are guided by article 12 of the agreement.

The criteria for adding an institution to the list are: (a) the child was placed in a residence away from the family home by or under the authority of Canada for the purposes of education; and (b) Canada was jointly or solely responsible for the operation of the residence and care of the children resident there.

To date, the department has received over 8,500 requests to add approximately 1,250 institutions to the agreement. Two schools have been added to the list. We continue to process approximately 15 requests per month.

A word about the apology.

On June 11, 2008, the Prime Minister of Canada, on behalf of all Canadians, rose in the House of Commons and issued a full apology to former students of Indian residential schools. This was followed by an apology from each of the leaders of opposition.

Present on the floor of the House were the leaders of the national aboriginal organizations, who also addressed the House in acceptance of the apology. The event was transmitted to a crowd of several thousand who gathered on Parliament Hill and was broadcast across the nation. Survivors of the residential schools watched with anticipation from coast to coast to coast.

The apology garnered international attention. In November 2008 Canada was given an award in Washington, D.C., for the apology by Search for Common Ground, an internationally renowned organization respected for working with local partners to address conflicts constructively.

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission, or TRC, is the cornerstone of the agreement. The commission will be a positive step in forging a new relationship between aboriginal people and other Canadians. As you most likely know, the TRC has experienced some challenges with the resignation of its chairman and the resignation of two commissioners, which will be effective on June 1, 2009.

The enlistment of Justice Frank Iacobucci to oversee the selection of the new commissioners gives us confidence that the process will be under way soon for the sake of survivors and their families. In the interim, the secretariat has continued to lay the groundwork for the seven national events that are part of the settlement agreement.

Canada has supported this establishment of the TRC. I would like to stress, however, that the assistance Canada has provided to the TRC is strictly related to the operational and administrative set-up. We will continue to be available to the TRC in this regard. The Government of Canada has ensured that the TRC can conduct its important work with complete autonomy.

Getting under way sooner rather than later is indeed critical to regaining the trust and confidence of the survivors, their families, and communities. As I'm certain you can appreciate, they have been waiting for some time to have their opportunity to speak to their individual and collective experiences. Of equal importance, we believe that Canada has also waited for a long time to hear this part of our collective history.

We have high hopes for the TRC and its role in fulfilling the renewal of the relationship with aboriginal people in Canada. Thank you.

9:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Merci, Ms. Davis.

We will now move to questions from members.

Mr. Russell.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Good morning, Ms. Davis and our other witnesses. We thank you for coming here and sharing this briefing with us. Of course, you and I and all Canadians know how important this particular file is for individuals, their families, and their communities.

I want to pick up on a couple of points. First is the addition of schools. There were many people who felt left out of the initial agreement. Many of them have expressed this to me personally and have shared their stories of hurt and pain, and of wanting to reconcile as well, individually and collectively.

You say you've added two schools. Can you tell us which two schools those are?

9:10 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Resolution and Individual Affairs Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Caroline Davis

Yes, I can. St. Paul's Hostel in the Yukon and Anahim Lake Dormitory in B.C. were the two that were added.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Okay. As you know, there have been a number of requests from Labrador to add maybe three or four institutions. They have all been rejected based on the criteria set out in the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement, or that is the assumption.

In the last campaign the Conservative government said,

A re-elected Conservative Government will also commit to pursuing bilateral agreements with provinces to address the wrongs of the residential schools era for Aboriginals attending similar schools not covered by the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement.

They were re-elected, unfortunately.

Has this direction gone to the department? Has the department taken up any of that type of process at all?

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Resolution and Individual Affairs Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Caroline Davis

Yes, the minister has begun discussions with some of his colleagues. I've heard very brief reports back from those discussions, and they will be continuing. I would perhaps add that the government has signed a protocol with the Métis, which also has this as a subject for discussion between the Métis and the government.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Yes, because Île-à-la-Crosse was one of those schools that were given a formal commitment, but it still hasn't been added to the list, as I understand it.

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Resolution and Individual Affairs Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Caroline Davis

That's right.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Can you tell me if the minister has had any discussions with the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador?

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Resolution and Individual Affairs Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Caroline Davis

I'm not aware of that, sir, I'm sorry. We can get the answer on that to you.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

I'd appreciate that.

I also want to pick up on the matter of the apology, the reconciliation. We kick that word around a lot, and different people have different concepts of what reconciliation means. Certainly the TRC is going to form a vital part of that for people in their own individual contexts, but let's talk about reconciliation in a really substantive and formative way.

Has the department made any fundamental changes in terms of its approaches, legislative or policy, to give some substance to the apology? It's one thing to have the apology, to have it accepted, and it was an historic event, but are we doing something beyond the apology, outside of just the TRC? Is the department undertaking any substantive actions internally to address how they do business with aboriginal people?

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Resolution and Individual Affairs Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Caroline Davis

The department has a couple of things in play. One is that we had a reorganization this summer, and a sector has been given responsibility for developing partnerships with aboriginal people.

I think the record would speak for itself in that we do continue to deliver real, measurable, and tangible results for aboriginal people. We're moving forward on a number of key initiatives, including housing--that was included in the budget tabled recently--water quality, education, and child and family services. We have also moved forward on settling specific claims and delivering protection for on-reserve human rights.

I do believe reconciliation is at the heart of the methods we're using to move forward.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

I want to use the specific example of MRP, matrimonial real property. If we're talking about a formative change and about the duty to consult, wouldn't it be incumbent upon the government to sit down in a real consultative way prior to the drafting of the legislation that affects individual and collective rights, in this case on reserve, as it did with the Specific Claims Tribunal Act? And wouldn't that be a tangible move to a different way of doing business with aboriginal people?

I just use that as an example. There could be other examples out there.

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Resolution and Individual Affairs Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Caroline Davis

The matrimonial real property legislation does address a very difficult gap that exists between the rights that people have living off reserve and the ones on reserve with regard to marital and relationship breakdowns. The government regards this as a very serious issue. They've reintroduced the legislation just recently.

There was a lot of consultation. There was a group discussion led by a first nations person in the run-up to the preparation of the legislation. I think the reintroduction does underline the government's commitment to resolving this.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Well, I would argue that, seeing that the groups and individuals I've met with...and I don't want to move off too much in that direction, but they have substantive issues with that particular piece of legislation. They argue that the government hasn't been consultative when it comes to development of that piece of legislation.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Mr. Russell, we should try to keep it on topic here. We have officials here from the resolutions section. I'm prepared to give a wide berth here in terms of discussion, but we do need to keep it on topic as well.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

I'm taking a wide berth, but don't take up my time, please, Mr. Chair.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Of course not.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

In terms of the independent assessment process, where are we with regard to the number of claimants, the number of claims that have been resolved and the number that remain outstanding?

9:20 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Resolution and Individual Affairs Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Caroline Davis

By the middle of January we'd received 9,361 claims. The number of decisions rendered is 1,503. So far, sir, if you're interested, the compensation awarded is about $94 million.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Proportionately, of course, the common experience payments are probably much easier to deal with. But these claims--physical and sexual abuse and things of that nature--are much more complex.

Do you feel good about the process, about the speed of the settlement of these claims, or do you feel that more needs to be done? It seems that only a small portion of them have been settled.

9:20 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Resolution and Individual Affairs Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Caroline Davis

If I could perhaps add, and I don't think I made this clear in my notes at the beginning, the independent assessment process is run separately from myself. I'm not responsible for it. The gentleman who runs it reports directly to the deputy minister.

But I have been speaking with him because clearly we are very much involved in the process, in that the research that Canada presents to this adjudication process is key to the determination. So we are looking at ways to make the process more efficient, to try to find ways to have the hearings run in a more effective way that responds to the needs of survivors and to make sure we speed up the presentation of our information.

My colleague has told me that he is gearing up to increase the number of hearings that are going to be happening each month as we go into next month and the following fiscal year. So I hope you will see improvements in that.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

We are out of time. I allowed you a bit of extra time there, Mr. Russell, just to finish up.

We will continue with Mr. Lévesque.