Evidence of meeting #39 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was projects.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Wernick  Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Nicole Jauvin  Deputy Minister and President, Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Good afternoon, everyone. It's great to see everybody out on a rainy afternoon.

Welcome to the 39th meeting of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development. We're glad to welcome, for the second week in a row, the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Mr. Duncan.

This afternoon the orders of the day are the consideration of the supplementary estimates (B). I think we'll start right off. I believe the minister has at least an hour with us and officials are here for the remainder of our meeting this afternoon.

I think we'll go straight to the minister. Perhaps we'll leave the formal introductions of the officials to the second hour, and then we'll have more time with Minister Duncan, which I'm sure all members will appreciate.

Mr. Duncan, you have the floor for the customary initial comments. Then we'll go directly to questions from members.

Mr. Lemay, you have a point of order ?

3:35 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

According to our minutes of proceedings, the minister was supposed to appear before our committee for two hours today. I have prepared questions for two hours. You will remember that the last time the minister appeared before this committee, it was about a specific issue. We had agreed to keep our questions until the two-hour meeting scheduled for December 1.

Today is December 1, and I would like the minister to stay with us for two hours.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

I don't know that this is a point of order at all. Certainly the minister is on the orders of the day. We know that ministers' time pressures can be significant. I'm sure the minister will indulge us as long as he can.

Ms. Crowder.

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NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

We're in camera again.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Pardon me?

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NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

We're in camera again.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Oh, dear. There are technical glitches, perhaps, with this new room.

Members may be aware as well that this afternoon's meeting is not televised, just to let you know so that you can govern yourselves accordingly. There were some hitches with another committee that required one of the two television crews to do their meetings.

We'll get that corrected, Ms. Crowder. Thank you for that intervention.

Let's go to Mr. Duncan for his presentation.

Mr. Duncan, we're glad to have you back with us.

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Vancouver Island North B.C.

Conservative

John Duncan ConservativeMinister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Thank you very much.

I realize how much Monsieur Lemay likes my presence—

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

John Duncan Conservative Vancouver Island North, BC

—and I appreciate the fact that he likes me so much.

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An hon. member

Me too.

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An hon. member

And us.

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Conservative

John Duncan Conservative Vancouver Island North, BC

I was here last week, and I was before the Senate Standing Committee on Human Rights this week, so this is my third committee appearance since last week.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for inviting me to appear before the committee today.

This is, as you know, my second appearance before this committee, and while I'm happy to discuss the supplementary estimates (B) of my department, I'll also take this opportunity to touch on some important other issues.

In the four short months since my appointment as minister, we've seen some significant developments that underline the government's commitment to making real progress on the issues that matter to aboriginal peoples and northerners.

I was particularly proud that one my first actions as minister was to apologize for the relocation of Inuit from Inukjuak and Pond Inlet to Grise Fiord and Resolute Bay in the High Arctic in the 1950s, and for the hardship, suffering, and loss they experienced as a result of that relocation. Our government is working to renew our relationship with the Inuit, and to support social and economic development in the north as part of the northern strategy.

Also as part of the northern strategy, I was honoured to be in Cambridge Bay, Nunavut, with the Honourable Leona Aglukkaq, Minister of Health and minister responsible for the north, to announce the location of the new Canadian High Arctic Research Station in that community.

The Northern Strategy is, of course, only one component of our government's plan to improve the quality of life for aboriginal peoples and northerners. The main estimates, for the first time, included $61 million in funding for an important part of the government's Northern Strategy.

The Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency, CanNor, was created in August 2009 and is the first ever regional development agency for the north and the only federal agency headquartered in the north.

In little more than a year, CanNor has made great strides. The agency has established regional offices in all three territorial capitals and is developing its headquarters in Iqaluit in a new office facility being built by a local, Inuit-owned enterprise.

In May of this year, CanNor launched the Northern Projects Management Office, based in Yellowknife. This service works with the proponents of major development projects, federal departments, and regulators in the north to help improve the timeliness, predictability, and transparency of regulatory processes. It is a key part of the government's work to improve northern regulatory systems.

As you know, CanNor is the lead federal agency for the delivery of Canada's Economic Action Plan in the territories and its investments in the northern economy and northern communities have doubled as a consequence. To date, CanNor has supported 307 economic development projects in the north and has allocated over $66 million to strengthening the economies of the three territories. In this way, CanNor is not only fulfilling the vision of the government's Northern Strategy, but also is helping northerners and northern communities to manage the impacts of the global economic downturn.

The investments included in supplementary estimates (B) support this commitment and enable us to address our priorities. Take child and family services for example.

Earlier this year, the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs, Canada, and Manitoba negotiated a framework to improve on-reserve child and family services. Included in the estimates is $17.6 million, which is part of a five-year commitment of $177 million to implement the framework in Manitoba. As I explained when I appeared before this committee last week, a similar framework was completed three years ago in Alberta, and the preliminary results are very promising.

The key to success, I believe, has been working in partnership with first nations groups and provincial governments. Manitoba is the sixth jurisdiction to start implementing the new preventive approach. This government hopes to complete frameworks in the four remaining provinces by 2013.

Also included in the supplementary estimates is $295 million for the funding of awards to claimants resulting from the independent assessment process and alternative dispute resolution related to the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement. The process is designed for former students who suffered serious physical or sexual abuse while attending an Indian residential school. The additional funds are needed because the number of claims filed and the average settlement per individual are higher than originally forecast.

Mr. Chairman, we are also working with first nations and provinces in the area of education.

As we all know, access to quality education is essential to long-term, sustainable improvement for communities, as well as personal success. Together, we've been working to ensure first nations children receive the education they require to prepare them for the future.

Since I've been minister, we've signed two more tripartite agreements with the provinces and first nations. There was a sub-regional agreement in Saskatchewan and another in Prince Edward Island. So there are now seven agreements in place across the country that give first nations communities greater control over education and, most importantly, first nations students a greater chance for success.

Settling claims is also important to ensuring that first nations have the resources they need to prosper. Through claim settlements, the relationship between Canada and first nations is strengthened, and first nations can access the lands and resources they need to allow their communities to prosper. For instance, in October, I was pleased to join community members to celebrate the final settlement of the Mississaugas of the New Credit First Nation's Brant Tract and Toronto Purchase specific claims.

Included in the supplementary estimates is the department's request to re-profile $308 million from the previous fiscal year to fund specific claims settlements. This amount was originally set aside for specific claims during the last two fiscal years but was never spent. Re-profiling this money makes it available to fund specific claims settlements in the current fiscal year.

These initiatives are but a few examples of the concrete actions that support the department's goal of improving the quality of life of aboriginal peoples and northerners.

Canada's economic action plan invested a total of $1.4 billion over two years in programs for aboriginal peoples. This includes programs and initiatives led by many government departments. Significant amounts are going to skills development and training programs for aboriginal peoples. Most of this investment, however, is going to infrastructure projects in first nations communities: water and waste-water treatment facilities, schools, and housing.

The provision of safe drinking water, the effective treatment of waste water, and the protection of sources of drinking water in first nations communities are critical to ensuring the health and safety of first nations people. The Government of Canada is committed to ensuring that significant progress is made in improving water conditions on reserves across Canada.

These investments are very much in keeping with our ongoing priorities. Furthermore, INAC currently has four bills before the House and Senate which seek to address these same priorities.

Bill S-11, the Safe Drinking Water for First Nations Act, will enable the Government of Canada to continue making tangible progress on its commitment to improving water conditions on reserve. This bill is currently being considered before the Senate.

Bill C-25, the Nunavut Planning and Project Assessment Act, will ensure clarity, consistency, and legal certainty with respect to land use planning and environmental assessment processes in Nunavut.

Bill S-4, the matrimonial real property act, proposes legislation to resolve the long-standing issue of on-reserve matrimonial real property.

Finally, Bill C-3, the Gender Equity in Indian Registration Act, is an important piece of legislation that provides for movement toward the elimination of discrimination in the Indian Act.

Mr. Chairman, this government recognizes that money alone cannot address the issues facing northerners and aboriginal peoples. This is why we continue to seek and expand partnerships with groups that share our larger goal of ensuring that all Canadians, regardless of where they live, can participate in and contribute to this country's prosperity.

Every specific claim settlement, every tripartite agreement on education and on child and family services, and every aboriginal employment training partnership program brings us one step closer to this goal. I'm confident that the investments included in the supplementary estimates will lead to further progress.

Thank you. I'll do my best to answer any questions that members of the committee might have.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Thank you, Mr. Minister.

I will now recognize Mr. Russell.

You have seven minutes.

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Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister, for appearing before us once again.

Thank you to each of the officials who have taken the time to be here.

Let me first of all say Happy Nunatsiavut Day to all of the Inuit, the Inuit descendants in Labrador, who are celebrating the fifth anniversary of their land claim and self-government agreement and the implementation of that agreement, which took place five years ago, of course, on December 1.

It was a historic time in Labrador and a joyous time. They're facing many challenges in terms of implementing self-government, but at the same time, they're also celebrating successes. I just want to say Happy Nunatsiavut Day to all the people in Labrador who are celebrating—and there are celebrations right across the big land, as we call it—and hopefully they'll have a fine time.

Mr. Minister, when it comes to specific claims, I remember being around this committee table when there was an urgency to move forward with the Specific Claims Tribunal Act, which I believe came into effect in late October of 2008.

There were allocations made. I believe there were nominal amounts approved and set aside by cabinet for claims, but to date there has not been one claim that has gone before the Specific Claims Tribunal.

Apparently there are some swanky offices in some prime real estate in Ottawa, but when you go there, you can hardly find an official or person associated with the Specific Claims Tribunal. I'm wondering where this is. Your government urged us to pass this—I think you were the parliamentary secretary at the time—so what action has been taken?

My second question is, how many claims do we have that are over $150 million? I believe that is the limit of the Specific Claims Tribunal Act in terms of what they can hear. At the time that we passed the Specific Claims Tribunal Act, there was this other process that was going to take place to settle claims over $150 million, so how many of those claims are there? What is the process that has been put in place by the government, in an urgent fashion, to resolve these?

Mr. Chair, if I may, I want to ask all my questions up front.

There has been much talk in the media around transparency and accountability, as you know, and many stories that have surfaced around salaries and things of that nature--and this is an exercise, one would think, in transparency and accountability. Can somebody point out to me where I can go to find the salaries of all of the executives in your office, sir, like the deputy minister, the assistant deputy minister, and all these people?

Where can I go to find the exact amount--not the salary ranges, but exact amounts--of their salaries, how much they get in bonuses, and how much they get in per diems, travel, and accommodation? Is that all calculated in one place where I can go to find it?

I'm saying that, sir, because I think if we're going to have standards of accountability and transparency, they need to be consistent throughout the system. If taxpayers' money is going to be spent when it comes to either executive salaries or chiefs' and councillors' salaries, and if transparency is the principle, well, let's comply with it.

Thank you.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Duncan Conservative Vancouver Island North, BC

Do you want me to answer now?

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Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Yes.

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Conservative

John Duncan Conservative Vancouver Island North, BC

I'll try to remember all your questions.

As for how many claims there are over $150 million, specific claims, the original anticipation was four. Those I think were included in the Senate report, the Senate study done on specific claims. I believe that's where the number came from; I think that was in the previous Parliament. I don't think I was here.

In term so the Specific Claims Tribunal, we try to settle all of these outside a tribunal. That's sort of the last resort. The roster of the people who are going to be on that tribunal has now been announced by Minister Nicholson. As you know, it's an independent body. They have been provided with the funding. It would be a conflict of interest for me to be directly involved, so I'm not.

I'm not sure of the when or how or what of the start-up, but I can say that we've settled a lot of claims. Irrespective of what the tribunal is up to, we have been settling a lot of specific claims, some of them quite large, and some of them a lot smaller. I am proud of how we've been moving things along and settling grievances that have been out there for a long time, many of them since the early 1990s.

As to the salaries you were talking about, which I think you are probably asking about in relation to Bill C-575, my salary is posted and your salary is posted. We're elected officials. The people who work for elected officials are in a different bailiwick and--

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Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

So I can't get that information...?

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Conservative

John Duncan Conservative Vancouver Island North, BC

Pardon me?

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Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

I can't get that information, you're saying.

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Conservative

John Duncan Conservative Vancouver Island North, BC

Well, you can get the range, but it's protected under the Privacy Act. The same would go for any other sector. What we're talking about is elected officials—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Excuse me, Minister, if I can just interrupt you momentarily, the members may notice that the bells are ringing. There's a 30-minute bell. This is on a motion in the House.

Minister, each time you come to see us, we unfortunately seem to have this interruption.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

You can stay with us for two hours--

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