Indigenous and Northern Affairs Committee on April 22nd, 2021

[Gary Anandasangaree, Liberal, Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON]

Mr. Chair, I'm going to speak to the amendment, if that's okay.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

Please go ahead.

[Gary Anandasangaree, Liberal, Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON]

I acknowledge and appreciate the work of Ms. Gazan in this regard. We definitely support the intent behind this amendment.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly indicated that—

[Arnold Viersen, Conservative, Peace River—Westlock, AB]

Mr. Chair, can we back up for a second here? We're zooming back and forth a bit.

The last amendment seems to have failed on division. I would hope that would be the case. I didn't realize that I gave any indication whatsoever. I was sitting here waiting for a recorded division, or—

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

Fine, we'll do that again. We'll resolve that issue.

It seemed to me, in my view of the gallery, that the motion was lost, but we'll move in accordance with your wishes.

[Arnold Viersen, Conservative, Peace River—Westlock, AB]

I guess if we want to do that....

All I need from Ms. Gazan is where she was on that one. I couldn't see from here where that went.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

I'll go back to Mr. Anandasangaree, who has the floor.

Call “on a point of order” if you wish to intervene in the future.

[Marcus Powlowski, Liberal, Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON]

There is a point of order, which is basically—

[Marilène Gill, Bloc, Manicouagan, QC]

I had raised my hand on a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[Marcus Powlowski, Liberal, Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON]

The point of order is—

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

I'm sorry—

[Marilène Gill, Bloc, Manicouagan, QC]

I raised my hand earlier, Mr. Chair.

[Marcus Powlowski, Liberal, Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON]

I thought I was on a point of order—

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

Everyone, please, if you are going to intervene, raise your hand.

Ms. Gill has the floor.

[Marilène Gill, Bloc, Manicouagan, QC]

Thank you, Mr. Chair. That greatly facilitates the roster.

I wanted to intervene after the comments from my colleague, Mr. Schmale, because I think something was left somewhat vague. For the next Bloc Québécois amendments, which are virtually in the same order, and for which it's a matter of consistency, I'm going to request a recorded vote. You can't tell what position is being held by people just by looking at them. I would therefore prefer to have their positions clearly stated and recorded.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

Go ahead, Mr. Powlowski.

[Marcus Powlowski, Liberal, Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON]

I was just going to agree with Mr. Viersen. Could we not possibly be a little more specific as to where the amendment is going? You cite amendment blah, blah, blah, but I don't know which section is being amended. It's not clear to me.

Could we just say “section 2, where the proposal is to amend it in such and such”? Like Mr. Viersen, I'm just not clear where these proposed amendments are going.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

Thanks for that.

When the motion is presented, there is reference in the proposal to what you're asking, but we'll go over that again.

Go ahead, Mr. Anandasangaree.

[Gary Anandasangaree, Liberal, Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON]

Mr. Chair, might I just ask you to resolve the previous matter? A number of people have brought it up, so maybe we could do a roll call vote on it, and with Ms. Gazan's indulgence, we can come back to her amendment.

In the meantime, for the benefit of the members, I just want to suggest that they pull out the agenda that was circulated by the clerk. The agenda has a very clear outline of what's being discussed today, corresponding to the package that was sent by the clerk last night or earlier this morning, with one addition that was sent by me this morning.

For the benefit of the members, it would be good to have all of that available, whether in print form or on the computer, so that people could follow that.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

Thank you for that. The clerks did quite a bit of work to inform members of the committee, and if you don't have the printed material in front of you, it will be somewhat laborious to reinterpret everything from the chair as we proceed. You should have quite a group of pages stating the various amendments. They're all here in front of us.

On the request of Mr. Anandasangaree and Ms. Gill, I'm going to ask that we revert to the matter that apparently wasn't clearly handled and ask about....

Let's start with Ms. Atwin's amendment.

On Ms. Atwin's amendment, I ruled that it was inadmissible, so that's clear and we move past that to the first Bloc amendment.

On the Bloc amendment—

[Jacques Maziade]

Mr. Chair, I suggest that you ask for a recorded division so it will be clear this time.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

On the advice of the legislative clerk, we'll do a recorded division on amendment BQ-1.

Mr. Clerk, apparently we've lost, technically, one of our members of the committee. I'm going to pause until Ms. Zann is able to return to the group.

Folks, I'm sorry about all this. Now we are good to go.

At the moment we paused, we were going to take a recorded division on the Bloc amendment.

(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

We need to be satisfied with that count. That means the vote is lost. Are we satisfied with that? I hope we did that one right.

In the same manner, we go to NDP-1, reference number 11236767.

Mr. Clerk, can I call for a recorded division on that, please?

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1)

In view of the votes that have taken place, shall clause 2 carry?

[Gary Anandasangaree, Liberal, Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON]

On division.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bob Bratina]

Are you requesting a recorded division, Mr. Anandasangaree?