Without knowing more about the licences, it's hard to be specific about that. What I can say is that, in some ways, we're talking about a distraction. If somebody says they're spending a lot of money here, and then when facts are examined in court or at the Copyright Board, the evidence says they're not spending any of that money here, we should have a very simple discussion. That's what we're talking about. Instead, we're in a situation now where mandatory tariffs are disregarded and not paid and where we have a licensing environment that has broken down because there is misinterpretation, unfair interpretation of fair dealing.
In general, that money is not coming to us. Our members report that transaction licensing is almost non-existent and the collective licensing revenue has almost disappeared. Access Copyright had its annual general meeting on Friday, and it's revenue from K to 12 and post-secondary is down 89%, and ironically, Canadian creators now from foreign educators get more licensing revenue than they get from Canadian sources.