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Evidence of meeting #45 for Justice and Human Rights in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-36.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Mandelcorn  Regional Director, Criminal Lawyers' Association
Sharon Rosenfeldt  Victims of Violence
Kim Pate  Executive Director, Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

That's certainly a scenario.

I just want to raise this with members. Tentatively I had scheduled us to deal with clause-by-clause on Bill C-36 right after the witnesses and then move to Bill C-232.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

You mean not do Bill C-232 first?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Exactly. That's right.

Mr. Comartin.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

I have to challenge you on that. It's in our minutes; we adopted this. Bill C-232 was to start the meeting on Wednesday, not Bill C-36.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

I understand that, but we also have a motion before us, so in anticipation of the motion.... That's why I said “tentatively scheduled”. I have used the word “tentatively”, I think, four or five times.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

And it's based on this motion being carried; and if the motion is not carried, then the decision of the steering committee—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Would survive.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

—to have Bill C-232 dealt with first on Wednesday, November 4, will go forth?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

That is correct.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

On a point of order, it was not just the steering committee; it was this committee. We adopted the recommendations.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

It was adopted, yes. Absolutely.

Mr. Moore.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB

I think the motion is quite doable. We've laid out how it could work by time, with Bill C-232 and clause-by-clause on Bill C-36. Rather than belabour the point, I'll just move that we vote on the motion, if I can do that.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

I would rule that to be out of order.

Monsieur Lemay.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Chair, I am going to move the following amendment to the motion:That the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights begin clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Serious Time for the Most Serious Crime Act) on Wednesday November 4th [...]

The rest of the sentence would be dropped and replaced by the following:[...] and that if clause-by-clause consideration is not completed on November 4th, it be continued on November 16th, and concluded November 16th.

Pardon me, Mr. Chair, I am going to clarify that in the following way:[...] that if it is not concluded by 5:30 p.m. on November 4th, it be continued and concluded on November 16th.

There. I think I have covered everything.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Let me read that back. The amendment would delete the last 13 words in the original motion and replace them with the following: “And that if clause-by-clause study is not completed by 5:30 p.m. on November 4th, that it continue on November 16th, and be completed on the 16th of November.”

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

There.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

You have before you the amendment to the main motion.

Mr. Bagnell.

November 2nd, 2009 / 5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

Does that mean that Bill C-232 would go as planned, first thing in the meeting on Wednesday?

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Yes.

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Chair, here is how I understand the situation: On November 4th, we are going to study Bill C-232. We will hear from the two remaining witnesses. If we have any time left, we are going to begin clause-by-clause consideration. If we do not complete it by 5:30 p.m. on November 4th, we will do so on November 16th.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

There is one proviso. I think you suggested that clause-by-clause on Bill C-36 would start on November 4 if there was time. The actual amendment that you suggested says it will start on November 4, but if it's not completed it continues on November 16, when it will be completed. Am I correct?

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Yes.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

So the amendment stands as I read it.

Ms. Jennings.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Am I allowed to suggest a subamendment?

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Yes.