Evidence of meeting #33 for Justice and Human Rights in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was application.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John Giokas  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Catherine Kane  Director General and Senior General Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

You may, if you wish.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

Thank you.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Back to Mr. Comartin. I would have to rule that out of order, unless we move to clause-by-clause the routine way, unless Mr. Lee wants to change his mind.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

Well, I'm going to object. It's easy to do this, because we have to amend the bill anyway to put back clause 3.

We don't have to do it. Will it be renumbered automatically?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Yes.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

What's the wording of the motion?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Mr. Comartin, do you want to read that again with the change reflected?

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Yes.

I move that the title and clauses 1 to 4 inclusively of Bill C-389 be adopted, and that the chair be ordered to report the bill to the House.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

All right.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

Okay. There's the motion.

Is there debate?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Do you wish debate?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

I do, because Mr. Comartin, with great respect, refers us to clauses 1 to 4. The bill we have in front of us has clauses 1, 2, 4, and 5. So the motion doesn't match the bill we have in front of us. If Mr. Comartin wishes to change his motion to read “clauses 1, 2, 4, and 5”, then his motion would match the bill.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Mr. Comartin.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

If I could change the wording to “clauses 1 to 5 inclusively, as corrected”, would that take care of the problem?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

I'm agreeable to that.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Thank you.

What's your wish? Do you want this on division?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Yes, please.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Just for the record, the bill is carried on division.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Mr. Chair, I asked for a recorded vote, please.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

You want a recorded vote?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Yes, I do.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

I'm advised that the request for a recorded division has to happen before the vote takes place or it's agreed that it's on division.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

It did.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

What did?

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

I asked for a recorded vote right after you said “on division”.