Evidence of meeting #33 for Justice and Human Rights in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was application.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John Giokas  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Catherine Kane  Director General and Senior General Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

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Director General and Senior General Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Catherine Kane

The thrust of the bill is to ensure that those who are convicted of the most serious crime, being murder, are detained in custody for a longer period of their life sentence. So there is that link.

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Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

That's what “serious time” means then--“serious”? I'll accept that. That was a serious question.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

We'll move on to Mr. Lemay.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Was section 745.01 abolished?

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

John Giokas

Excuse me...

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

I would like my colleagues opposite to read it. I have here the 2011 version of the Criminal Code and it seems to me that this section is still in effect.

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

John Giokas

Are you talking about what the judge must say when the sentence is passed?

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

That's right.

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

John Giokas

It will continue to apply. As you well know, people are waiting because the system is clogged.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Exactly. So, someone who is convicted of first-degree murder gets a life sentence, end of story.

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

But, after the reading, we like to say that an individual becomes eligible because, under section 745.01 of the Criminal Code, the judge must read it.

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

John Giokas

Yes, that's it.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

It is good to read a little, and that's what the governing party and the Liberal Party should do from time to time. Section 745.01 reads as follows:

745.01 Except where subsection 745.6(2) applies, at the time of sentencing under paragraph 745(a), (b) or (c), the judge who presided at the trial of the offender shall state the following, for the record: The offender has been found guilty of (state offence) and sentenced to imprisonment for life. The offender is not eligible for parole until (state date). However, after serving at least 15 years of the sentence, the offender may apply under section 745.6 of the Criminal Code for a reduction in the number of years of imprisonment without eligibility for parole...

In the Criminal Code, no victim's family is taken by surprise. It is already in the Criminal Code.

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

John Giokas

That's right. That's why it is in the Criminal Code.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

That's why it is there. It must be reread and the judge must read it.

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

That being said, we must understand that not every criminal who is sentenced to 25 years of imprisonment is necessarily eligible for parole.

Do you have the latest figures since April 9, 2009, on parole applications submitted by individuals convicted of first-degree murder. I had 265. Are there more than that?

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

John Giokas

The most recent figures are from March 7, 2010. We are talking about 276 people.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

You are saying that 276 people filed an application.

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Of those 276 people, how many have received a reduction in the time without eligibility for parole?

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

John Giokas

I have three figures.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

We will go slowly, but it is important. I think my colleagues opposite—

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

John Giokas

Establishing the date of the numbers is very important.